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Words and deeds; words and deeds...

• quaunaut 11y ago
  Maybe we should judge you by the worst of people who look like you.
  • totalkos 11y ago
    Go right ahead.
  • crusso 11y ago
    I wish we would stop equating Islam with race. It's a set of ideas that are adopted to various degrees by members of every race. Generalization based upon the adoption of sets of ideas would seem to be a great deal more logical than generalization based upon race. [edited to clarify first paragraph]
    • kristopolous 11y ago
      It's part of victimhood where it's also, uniquely, a valid accusation. For instance, the idea of the black-lives-matter movement is that all black lives suffer (and by extension, all lives), not just those that are individually victimized by the police/state in explicit narrative ways. It's the [black] families they have and the [black] communities they live in and the [black] friends that they have who also suffer ... there's a community net that gets pulled whenever a member has a tragic event --- in that sense the community suffers as a whole - regardless of their underlying diversities --- it's like tugging at a fabric ... the parts that are nearest go the furthest, but the entirety of the fabric reacts - not always in perceptible ways. I as a relatively wealthy person, for instance, am affected by homelessness because those people are potential teachers to my children, coworkers, mentors, or customers for my business ... their plight is also my own. Their immense suffering inescapably trips the community as a whole. Also in that way, an assault on judaism is an assault on israel, an assault on hinduism is an assault on india, and so on ... you can't isolate the victim in a systemic narrative - there's an integral effect.
      • crusso 11y ago
        So all questions about ideas are racist on some level? Doesn't that then make racism meaningless since I could say that questioning any belief whatsoever impacts some race that commonly holds that belief?
        • kristopolous 11y ago
          I was talking with the explicit context of victimhood. The idea here, which is a few steps removed, is that any kind of indiscriminate prejudice against any group at all is problematic ... it's the prejudice that's the problem. Nothing really groundbreaking other than for the specific insight that the targeted group is impossible to isolate. Bystanders are integral to conflict.
          • crusso 11y ago
            indiscriminate prejudice But the key word there is "indiscriminate", since by definition you can't target criticism properly ever if you're indiscriminate. the targeted group is impossible to isolate Not when you're talking about people who self-select by claiming belief in certain ideas. It's not at all like generalizing based upon race.
  • dlss 11y ago
    This is a non-sequitur. Totalkos didn't say "these people look like X, and X is bad" he indicated he believes the speaker to be hypocritical. The Saudi clerics quoted in the article may well be hypocritical. I have no idea, and am not familiar with them. If you are, please just link to the evidence rather than resorting to name calling.