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Please see my comment above, which addresses what you say. Cherry picking something bad from the history of Islam as evidence of the whole religion is just an
by hackuser 11y ago
Please see my comment above, which addresses what you say.
Cherry picking something bad from the history of Islam as evidence of the whole religion is just an attempt to rationalize hate. It's silly. On that basis, we can condemn everyone and everything.
To people reading this and who haven't read the Quran, I strongly encourage you buy a copy and dispell a lot of ignorant nonsense you hear. If you haven't, be sure to read some other scrpture too (e.g., the Torah, the New Testament) for context - otherwise the brutality of ancient societies can be taken out of context. (Remember we were still executing witches; hanging, drawing and quartering; etc. just a few centuries ago (not to mention things like Abu Ghraib and CIA torture recently.))
EDIT: For those looking for a good translation, I did some research into that and recommend Arthur Arberry's. It's probably the most respected among non-sectarian scholars, and Arberry was the head of the Department of Classics at Cairo University and a professor of Arabic at Cambridge. Many other translations push one sectarian view or another. In the U.S. you might need to order a used copy of Arberry or from Oxford University Press directly, but it's widely available.
- acqq 11y agoI have the paper books of Quran in two languages and I've also given the links to the online searchable versions. I've actually marked the pages where "disbelievers" are to be "painfully punished" and only a few pages remained unmarked. It takes hours just to physically mark the all such pages! The unmarked remain only the parts where some Old Testament story is badly retold. Reading Quran is very repetitive, almost hypnotic experience. "For unbelievers" "doom" or "fire" page after page. It's not "out of the context" or "cherry picked" it's everywhere. Have you actually read the Quran?
- jnbiche 11y agoOut of curiosity, which translation is that? Pickthall?
- acqq 11y agoNot in English, other languages, for the English translation I've used the online sites, there are more translations available at once, I've linked that already, Pickthall is included in the results, maybe he uses the "doom" word more than others? Anyway, thanks to the online sources, the Arabic words seem to be "عذاب" and "الْحَرِيق" Yay, Unicode! For more statistics (e.g. how often exactly the "fire" is used, how often "hell") I suggest using the local copies of the texts.