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Remember the goal of terrorism is to terrorize you. It's to get the maximum effect of very limited resources; right now 8 people have around a billion (or more)

Remember the goal of terrorism is to terrorize you. It's to get the maximum effect of very limited resources; right now 8 people have around a billion (or more) panicked. Wow. If they are scaring you - especially into a state of conflict - they've won. There were only 8 of them. They can't really threaten you. ISIS wants irreconcileable division and conflict between people who are Muslim and others. Are you giving it to them - and because of 8 people? The real conflict should be between peace-loving people and violent nutcases like ISIS - then our enemy is vastly outnumbered. France's response should be to counter ISIS' goals, and heal divisions between people of different religions. Eliminate their ban on clothing worn by Muslims, accept more refugees; nothing would be more crushing to ISIS than people of all faiths living peacefully, happily side-by-side, as friends, neighbors, and families.

codedokode 11y ago
> nothing would be more crushing to ISIS than people of all faiths living peacefully, happily side-by-side, as friends, neighbors, and families. People living in Syria and Iraq have their cities bombed by western armies. People in Lybia saw it earlier. Maybe they lost their friends or relatives in a war. Sorry but your naive words about peaceful living would sound like a bullshit to them.
- hackuser 11y ago
  > your naive words about peaceful living would sound like a bullshit to them I understand the reasoning (but please dial back the tone), but I think it's wrong: First, peace is often made by those same people who survive war and other horrors. The great modern institutions of international peace were built by the survivors of WWII (and WWI before it), people who saw far more and were far less naive than you or me. The foundations of the European Union were established by the same survivors, whose friends and relative were killed and brutalized by other EU members. Martin Luther King and his followers were brutalized by their white neighbors, yet they preached peace. Perhaps it's the people who have seen war who feel the greatest need for peace and understand what it takes. Second, do you have any basis for speaking for the people in Syria and Iraq? Research? Do you live there?
  - codedokode 11y ago
    No. I don't live there. But I know that US and France invaded those countries and are fighting again IS. What was the true reason to do that I don't know. And what were the objectives of attackers I don't know too. They declared it was a revenge for Syria. You are right, the United Nations was founded after the war to prevent conflicts to give a chance for other ways to resolve them. People who saw what war is didn't want to see it again. But people today are other generation. Was a decision to invade Lybia, Syria, or Iraq approved by UN? Was there any dialog? Were all diplomatic and economic measures avaiable used? Was it really necessary? I didn't mean to be rude but I still think words about peaceful living from western countries won't reach people in Middle Asia.
    - hackuser 11y ago
      > People who saw what war is didn't want to see it again. But people today are other generation. I suspect the same thing. Many in the US and elsewhere in the West since 9/11 have been quick to embrace violence, as well as the scourges that brought earlier wars: Nationalism, racial and religious prejudice, etc. What happened to the norms that said these things are dangerous? Is it that the generation who experienced the consequences has died out, and now we are ignorant again? Is that why history repeats? A lesson learned lasts no longer than a generation? How depressing. I also wonder if I am merely remembering a golden age that never existed. Certainly during the Cold War many bad, hateful things happened. > I still think words about peaceful living from western countries won't reach people in Middle Asia. Remember the idea that the generation of WWII knew about war and peace, and our generation has forgotten. Perhaps the current generation in the Mideast is the one that knows, far better than we do, about war and peace.

codedokode 11y ago

> nothing would be more crushing to ISIS than people of all faiths living peacefully, happily side-by-side, as friends, neighbors, and families. People living in Syria and Iraq have their cities bombed by western armies. People in Lybia saw it earlier. Maybe they lost their friends or relatives in a war. Sorry but your naive words about peaceful living would sound like a bullshit to them.

hackuser 11y ago
> your naive words about peaceful living would sound like a bullshit to them I understand the reasoning (but please dial back the tone), but I think it's wrong: First, peace is often made by those same people who survive war and other horrors. The great modern institutions of international peace were built by the survivors of WWII (and WWI before it), people who saw far more and were far less naive than you or me. The foundations of the European Union were established by the same survivors, whose friends and relative were killed and brutalized by other EU members. Martin Luther King and his followers were brutalized by their white neighbors, yet they preached peace. Perhaps it's the people who have seen war who feel the greatest need for peace and understand what it takes. Second, do you have any basis for speaking for the people in Syria and Iraq? Research? Do you live there?
- codedokode 11y ago
  No. I don't live there. But I know that US and France invaded those countries and are fighting again IS. What was the true reason to do that I don't know. And what were the objectives of attackers I don't know too. They declared it was a revenge for Syria. You are right, the United Nations was founded after the war to prevent conflicts to give a chance for other ways to resolve them. People who saw what war is didn't want to see it again. But people today are other generation. Was a decision to invade Lybia, Syria, or Iraq approved by UN? Was there any dialog? Were all diplomatic and economic measures avaiable used? Was it really necessary? I didn't mean to be rude but I still think words about peaceful living from western countries won't reach people in Middle Asia.
  - hackuser 11y ago
    > People who saw what war is didn't want to see it again. But people today are other generation. I suspect the same thing. Many in the US and elsewhere in the West since 9/11 have been quick to embrace violence, as well as the scourges that brought earlier wars: Nationalism, racial and religious prejudice, etc. What happened to the norms that said these things are dangerous? Is it that the generation who experienced the consequences has died out, and now we are ignorant again? Is that why history repeats? A lesson learned lasts no longer than a generation? How depressing. I also wonder if I am merely remembering a golden age that never existed. Certainly during the Cold War many bad, hateful things happened. > I still think words about peaceful living from western countries won't reach people in Middle Asia. Remember the idea that the generation of WWII knew about war and peace, and our generation has forgotten. Perhaps the current generation in the Mideast is the one that knows, far better than we do, about war and peace.