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No matter the possible productivity gains, I won't use anything needing more than two hours just to get started (i.e. running a Hello World). well that certain

by cwilkes 11y ago

No matter the possible productivity gains, I won't use anything needing more than two hours just to get started (i.e. running a Hello World). well that certainly helps frame your posts. In this case docker has a webpage that you can play around with. Maybe 10 minutes to get the basic idea. I'm struggling to find out where your hostility comes from. It doesn't make your job disposable, which it sounds like where your fear comes from. Just because people can't come to you to get the ideal Debian server setup doesn't mean you are less valued.

mschuster91 11y ago
> I'm struggling to find out where your hostility comes from. I like to be in absolute control over my environment - and my time. If a tool author cannot manage to provide a Debian package with reasonably current and extensive documentation, I won't waste my time.
muzmath 11y ago
This thread has been stormed by people who work in the sys admin space and either don't care to learn the technology, have used it unsuccessfully while it was young, or see it as harmful to their career.
- vdaniuk 11y ago
  HN tech hivemind is often both conservative and arrogant: node is an aberration, atom is a travesty, docker is for the lazy, front end frameworks are overused, etc etc.
  - muzmath 11y ago
    Very true. The fact is, even very intelligent people tend to stick with ideas that were popular as they 'grew' into their position. Programming is young, but if you look at the history of more developed fields such as physics and mathematics, there is a very long history of extremely respected scientists out right rejecting new theories for being outlandish and ridiculous that we now accept as the bedrock of scientific theory. The truth is, just as with physics and mathematics, in computer science new ideas do form, but older generations rarely adapt, and it's only with death of the old, and the growth of a new generation do ideas become accepted.

by cwilkes 11y ago

mschuster91 11y ago

> I'm struggling to find out where your hostility comes from. I like to be in absolute control over my environment - and my time. If a tool author cannot manage to provide a Debian package with reasonably current and extensive documentation, I won't waste my time.

muzmath 11y ago

This thread has been stormed by people who work in the sys admin space and either don't care to learn the technology, have used it unsuccessfully while it was young, or see it as harmful to their career.

vdaniuk 11y ago
HN tech hivemind is often both conservative and arrogant: node is an aberration, atom is a travesty, docker is for the lazy, front end frameworks are overused, etc etc.
- muzmath 11y ago
  Very true. The fact is, even very intelligent people tend to stick with ideas that were popular as they 'grew' into their position. Programming is young, but if you look at the history of more developed fields such as physics and mathematics, there is a very long history of extremely respected scientists out right rejecting new theories for being outlandish and ridiculous that we now accept as the bedrock of scientific theory. The truth is, just as with physics and mathematics, in computer science new ideas do form, but older generations rarely adapt, and it's only with death of the old, and the growth of a new generation do ideas become accepted.