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So we all grew up as law abiding citizens just because police was able to enter our neighbourhoods?

guard-of-terra 11y ago
Basically, yes. And it's not about us personally, it's about who they take away thus freeing us from being affected by bullying, crime and bad influence. Maybe they only have to take away one in hundred, the bad seed.
- shitgoose 11y ago
  Well, I was hoping to leave some credit to my parents and family too for not raising me a murderer. But it turns out it was the cops, relentlessly rooting out the bad seeds around me, that I should thank.
  - guard-of-terra 11y ago
    Why do you think you would be a murderer if not for your parents? Why would you murder and why?
- jacquesm 11y ago
  > And it's not about us personally, it's about who they take away thus freeing us from being affected by bullying, crime and bad influence. Where I grew up the police was free to come and go as they pleased. That did not stop plenty of bullying, lots of crime and a ton of bad influences being readily apparent and I credit my parents (even though they were divorced), the teachers in my school and my interest in technology for not going down some dumb path (most likely not to be a murderer though). A friend of mine who grew up much the same did in fact end up in a different situation and had none of those advantages that I had, otherwise our situations are mostly interchangeable.
  - guard-of-terra 11y ago
    Looks like police, walks like police, doesn't scare criminals away? Is not police! I mean, it is solvable. Firse, you enter the place. Then, you arrest criminals. Then, you rinse and repeat. There are communities around the world which, while being very poor, only have petty crime. You just avoid nurturing crime tolerance.
tremon 11y ago
Essentially, yes. But it's too short of an explanation. One possible extended version is: 10 police fail to sufficiently enforce national law in neighboorhood (either perceived or real, by lack of enforcement or lack of effective legislation) 20 disconnect between local populace and police grows 30 neighborhood starts relying on its own law enforcement 40 distrust between national law enforcement and neighborhood grows 50 local power grows, and local and national laws start drifting apart 60 goto 10 This happens in many locations. In a way, mafia and gangs start out from the same process: there is a local power group that challenges and rivals the national authority. Local county militia carry the same power, but they don't always challenge or interfere with national laws.
nightspirit 11y ago
No, it's "police was able to enter our neighborhoods because we were (sufficiently) law abiding". Equivalently, "police being unable to enter their neighborhoods shows that they are insufficiently law abiding".

Basically, yes. And it's not about us personally, it's about who they take away thus freeing us from being affected by bullying, crime and bad influence. Maybe they only have to take away one in hundred, the bad seed.

shitgoose 11y ago
Well, I was hoping to leave some credit to my parents and family too for not raising me a murderer. But it turns out it was the cops, relentlessly rooting out the bad seeds around me, that I should thank.
- guard-of-terra 11y ago
  Why do you think you would be a murderer if not for your parents? Why would you murder and why?
jacquesm 11y ago
> And it's not about us personally, it's about who they take away thus freeing us from being affected by bullying, crime and bad influence. Where I grew up the police was free to come and go as they pleased. That did not stop plenty of bullying, lots of crime and a ton of bad influences being readily apparent and I credit my parents (even though they were divorced), the teachers in my school and my interest in technology for not going down some dumb path (most likely not to be a murderer though). A friend of mine who grew up much the same did in fact end up in a different situation and had none of those advantages that I had, otherwise our situations are mostly interchangeable.
- guard-of-terra 11y ago
  Looks like police, walks like police, doesn't scare criminals away? Is not police! I mean, it is solvable. Firse, you enter the place. Then, you arrest criminals. Then, you rinse and repeat. There are communities around the world which, while being very poor, only have petty crime. You just avoid nurturing crime tolerance.

tremon 11y ago

Essentially, yes. But it's too short of an explanation. One possible extended version is: 10 police fail to sufficiently enforce national law in neighboorhood (either perceived or real, by lack of enforcement or lack of effective legislation) 20 disconnect between local populace and police grows 30 neighborhood starts relying on its own law enforcement 40 distrust between national law enforcement and neighborhood grows 50 local power grows, and local and national laws start drifting apart 60 goto 10 This happens in many locations. In a way, mafia and gangs start out from the same process: there is a local power group that challenges and rivals the national authority. Local county militia carry the same power, but they don't always challenge or interfere with national laws.

nightspirit 11y ago

No, it's "police was able to enter our neighborhoods because we were (sufficiently) law abiding". Equivalently, "police being unable to enter their neighborhoods shows that they are insufficiently law abiding".