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The Rise of the College Crybullies

30 points by larrys 11y ago

larrys 11y ago
To get past the paywall: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CB4QqQIwAGoVChMIuvHrzNKQyQIVgzEmCh2XTg3A&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wsj.com%2Farticles%2Fthe-rise-of-the-college-crybullies-1447458587&usg=AFQjCNF3OKC3CwhbQQsPh9e9OOiJInjmlQ https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&c...
orionblastar 11y ago
Just the same social justice warriors who attack tech companies and want more females and minorities in STEM, but they don't take STEM classes they take classes in the liberal arts instead. I encourage females and minorities to take STEM classes for STEM jobs and challenge themselves. Calling racism or sexism esp when almost none exists, there has been no evidence of racism on MU campus for six months. http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/11/confirmed-there-is-absolutely-zero-evidence-of-any-racist-incident-on-mizzou-campus-in-last-6-months/ http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/11/confirmed-there-is-a... So what is the deal? If there was racism there'd be some evidence of it.
- malandrew 11y ago
  I like the litmus test that only someone with a github profile with projects of their own and commits to any projects in broad use are privvy to an opinion about tech culture. When I see an SJC opinion on identity politics and tech, my first instinct is to check github to see if the author has ever contributed to open source or has any sizable projects of their own published. I'd guess that 99 times out of 100 they don't. There are a lot of loudmouthed people with lots of opinions and no street cred. Pretty much every scandal over the past few years have involved someone with little to no content in their github profile. I encourage anyone with a particular scandal in mind to go find the github profile of the person at the center of the scandal and see if they've accomplished much if anything as software engineer.
  - rescripting 11y ago
    This is a bit divergent but GitHub alone is a bad litmus test to determine if someone as accomplished anything as a software engineer. Many talented engineers are precluded by their contracts from contributing, use other channels to do so, or simply don't work on open source projects. Dismissing someone because of an empty github profile seems like a bit of a hair trigger reaction.
    - orionblastar 11y ago
      Agreed but the SJWs will always make an issue with a project on a political thing and ask for a code of conduct. It seems to be an annoying pattern of behavior. You have to remember that SJWs have declared a war on hackers and people in STEM. Trying to find something wrong with them to make them lose their jobs or be kicked out of open source projects. http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=6918 http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=6918 ESR has an opinion on it that SJWs need to be kicked out of open source projects. Most of them can't even code properly and submit buggy code that gets rejected, and then they claim discrimination.
      - adiabatty 11y ago
        Nowhere in that post did I see the opinion that good patches be rejected on the grounds that the author is an SJW — ESR appears to say he's quite happy to accept good contributions from anyone. What am I missing?
        orionblastar 11y ago
        Good patches should not be rejected by the ground that anyone is anything. What matters is code quality. ESR was talking about the issues the SJWs make wanting a code of conduct and other political things. That they should be kicked out of projects when they do that sort of thing. If they submit good patches, it should be accepted. If they cause a political issue instead of a coding or debugging one then they are just stirring up trouble. In the example the POC (People of Color) submitted several patches but only one or two got accepted because they were good enough. The SJW got upset over the fact that not all of them got accepted. Called the project leader a white straight male, and project leader replied back he was a Latino and accepted a few patches from POC and goes by quality not race to accept or reject a patch. Really hard to tell a SJW from a troll pretending to be a SJW, Poe's law and all of that.
- laughinghan 11y ago
  > there has been no evidence of racism on MU campus for six months Your own citation: > The Student’s Association President Payton Head said he was called the n-word. > A group of black students said they were called the n-word by some guy in a car. In what context is someone saying "a thing happened to me" not considered evidence that the thing happened?
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malandrew 11y ago
Honestly, the college admissions application should come with a single trigger warning that covers all possible inconvenient ideas you might encounter in a university setting. Uncomfortable with that? Then don't attend. Were I entering college today, I would consider all this a reduction of what I would be exposed to in a university setting. If I'm paying for an education, I want a full education, not just the parts no one is protesting.
- gozo 11y ago
  So you have no problem trying to exclude people based on their opinion as long as it is one you don't agree with? That seem quite hypocritical. Similar to how those who supposedly value diversity of opinion have no problem trying to dismiss other peoples opinions by calling them "crybullies".
  - otterley 11y ago
    Voicing a different opinion is different than demanding someone be punished because they have a different opinion. Maintaining diversity of opinion is a two-way street that requires tolerance from everyone. Refusing to invite intolerant people is not hypocritical; it ensures the culture of spirited debate is preserved for all comers.
    - gozo 11y ago
      That is the exact same argument that the people you are opposing are making, just that you differ in opinion what is considered intolerant. And saying that you should try to exclude people who don't agree with you seems very much like "demanding someone be punished because they have a different opinion".
      - otterley 11y ago
        I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt that you're not being intentionally obtuse. How would you design a system that is supposed to foster debate and differing opinions such that people don't shut it down because they cannot tolerate those differing opinions?

30 points by larrys 11y ago

To get past the paywall: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CB4QqQIwAGoVChMIuvHrzNKQyQIVgzEmCh2XTg3A&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wsj.com%2Farticles%2Fthe-rise-of-the-college-crybullies-1447458587&usg=AFQjCNF3OKC3CwhbQQsPh9e9OOiJInjmlQ https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&c...

orionblastar 11y ago

Just the same social justice warriors who attack tech companies and want more females and minorities in STEM, but they don't take STEM classes they take classes in the liberal arts instead. I encourage females and minorities to take STEM classes for STEM jobs and challenge themselves. Calling racism or sexism esp when almost none exists, there has been no evidence of racism on MU campus for six months. http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/11/confirmed-there-is-absolutely-zero-evidence-of-any-racist-incident-on-mizzou-campus-in-last-6-months/ http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/11/confirmed-there-is-a... So what is the deal? If there was racism there'd be some evidence of it.

malandrew 11y ago
I like the litmus test that only someone with a github profile with projects of their own and commits to any projects in broad use are privvy to an opinion about tech culture. When I see an SJC opinion on identity politics and tech, my first instinct is to check github to see if the author has ever contributed to open source or has any sizable projects of their own published. I'd guess that 99 times out of 100 they don't. There are a lot of loudmouthed people with lots of opinions and no street cred. Pretty much every scandal over the past few years have involved someone with little to no content in their github profile. I encourage anyone with a particular scandal in mind to go find the github profile of the person at the center of the scandal and see if they've accomplished much if anything as software engineer.
- rescripting 11y ago
  This is a bit divergent but GitHub alone is a bad litmus test to determine if someone as accomplished anything as a software engineer. Many talented engineers are precluded by their contracts from contributing, use other channels to do so, or simply don't work on open source projects. Dismissing someone because of an empty github profile seems like a bit of a hair trigger reaction.
  - orionblastar 11y ago
    Agreed but the SJWs will always make an issue with a project on a political thing and ask for a code of conduct. It seems to be an annoying pattern of behavior. You have to remember that SJWs have declared a war on hackers and people in STEM. Trying to find something wrong with them to make them lose their jobs or be kicked out of open source projects. http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=6918 http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=6918 ESR has an opinion on it that SJWs need to be kicked out of open source projects. Most of them can't even code properly and submit buggy code that gets rejected, and then they claim discrimination.
    - adiabatty 11y ago
      Nowhere in that post did I see the opinion that good patches be rejected on the grounds that the author is an SJW — ESR appears to say he's quite happy to accept good contributions from anyone. What am I missing?
      - orionblastar 11y ago
        Good patches should not be rejected by the ground that anyone is anything. What matters is code quality. ESR was talking about the issues the SJWs make wanting a code of conduct and other political things. That they should be kicked out of projects when they do that sort of thing. If they submit good patches, it should be accepted. If they cause a political issue instead of a coding or debugging one then they are just stirring up trouble. In the example the POC (People of Color) submitted several patches but only one or two got accepted because they were good enough. The SJW got upset over the fact that not all of them got accepted. Called the project leader a white straight male, and project leader replied back he was a Latino and accepted a few patches from POC and goes by quality not race to accept or reject a patch. Really hard to tell a SJW from a troll pretending to be a SJW, Poe's law and all of that.
laughinghan 11y ago
> there has been no evidence of racism on MU campus for six months Your own citation: > The Student’s Association President Payton Head said he was called the n-word. > A group of black students said they were called the n-word by some guy in a car. In what context is someone saying "a thing happened to me" not considered evidence that the thing happened?
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malandrew 11y ago

Honestly, the college admissions application should come with a single trigger warning that covers all possible inconvenient ideas you might encounter in a university setting. Uncomfortable with that? Then don't attend. Were I entering college today, I would consider all this a reduction of what I would be exposed to in a university setting. If I'm paying for an education, I want a full education, not just the parts no one is protesting.

gozo 11y ago
So you have no problem trying to exclude people based on their opinion as long as it is one you don't agree with? That seem quite hypocritical. Similar to how those who supposedly value diversity of opinion have no problem trying to dismiss other peoples opinions by calling them "crybullies".
- otterley 11y ago
  Voicing a different opinion is different than demanding someone be punished because they have a different opinion. Maintaining diversity of opinion is a two-way street that requires tolerance from everyone. Refusing to invite intolerant people is not hypocritical; it ensures the culture of spirited debate is preserved for all comers.
  - gozo 11y ago
    That is the exact same argument that the people you are opposing are making, just that you differ in opinion what is considered intolerant. And saying that you should try to exclude people who don't agree with you seems very much like "demanding someone be punished because they have a different opinion".
    - otterley 11y ago
      I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt that you're not being intentionally obtuse. How would you design a system that is supposed to foster debate and differing opinions such that people don't shut it down because they cannot tolerate those differing opinions?