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Except these don't appear to be a political terrorist group, like the ones we have in Europe. This is jihad, blind violence, without targeting political figures

by return0 11y ago

Except these don't appear to be a political terrorist group, like the ones we have in Europe. This is jihad, blind violence, without targeting political figures. If you ask the bombers why they do it they 'll barely be able to answer beyond some religious nonsense. If you ask the ones who sent them to bomb, i bet you will find a mixture of vague anti-westernism , anti-semitism etc. Whoever is funding them does not have a world-changing plan other than general disorder. Even if ISIS had a UN-recognized state, they wouldn't be able to keep it functioning for a single day. It's easy to be a terrorist nowadays, because it's hard to come up with solutions to fix the broken arab world. It probably doesn't take huge funding to do the things they do. Is there a viable political agenda behind them? If there was, arabs wouldn't be fleeing the area in droves.

scrollaway 11y ago
Please cite your sources. I appreciate what you're trying to say, but I've been dealing with this for the past 19 hours and you're putting words in the mouths of attackers who are dead or have not been caught. > Even if ISIS had a UN-recognized state, they wouldn't be able to keep it functioning for a single day. Do you know why we say "know your enemy"? Because the worst thing you can do when facing a threat is underestimate it. You don't want to be caught off-guard. Statistically if you read this site you are familiar with computer security. Think, how does downplaying and underestimating threats work out, in the itsec world? > It's easy to be a terrorist nowadays, because it's hard to come up with solutions to fix the broken arab world. These are two very faintly related points. They're certainly not cause & consequence.
Shorel 11y ago
> blind violence It is in my own not politically correct opinion (I expect to be downvoted for this) not blind at all. It is targeted against freedom of expression and also against feminism, which they see as immoral. It is targeted towards freedom of expression because of the dogmas regarding the depiction of their own religious figures, and that is intimately related to their religion. And all that happens because they went to other countries, but entirely rejecting other cultures, and their own culture includes trying to convert the entire world to Islam. This is also a consequence of the Mongols and the Sack of Baghdad in 1258. Before this, Islam was the enlightened culture that preserved Greek discoveries and it was truly the religion of peace. After it, they became much more orthodox and rejected the science they helped preserve.
- scrollaway 11y ago
  It truly saddens me every time I write several paragraphs trying to get across the point about islam being used as a tool by people who couldn't give a shit about the religion. Neither on the attacker's side nor on the defending governments' sides. Am I just not getting my point across?
  - Shorel 11y ago
    Of course you do. But I think we agree to disagree. I see religions as fundamentally harmful and you don't.
    - scrollaway 11y ago
      I have not stated what I think of religions anywhere in my posts, because it is not relevant - and I'd wager you would be surprised about my answer should you ask. What you do see is this being a religious attack, when it is quite clearly a political one. I'm honestly not sure anymore how someone who thinks through the mentality these people have can come to the conclusion that the logic makes sense. It's just so easy for people to just say "Pah, there's no logic, these people are irrational and crazy and they hate us". But that's bullshit. Everybody is driven by their own set of logic and in the majority of cases, they're easily manipulated by those that are more experienced or stand to gain more than them. This is a fact we have to face: There are horrors being done, and there are reasons behind the horrors being done. So please, I won't try to convince you - instead, think this through yourself: 1. Do these attacks serve a religious goal? If so, which? 2. What are the social consequences on islam and muslims as a result of such attacks? Are they predictable? Are they known by the perpetrators? 3. What happens as a result of those consequences? Who is affected? Who is most negatively affected? 4. Based on your answers on 2 & 3, can you tell who stands to gain the most out of it? 5. Does your answer to 1 still make sense in the context of your answers to 2, 3 & 4? Have fun, I'm going to sleep.
codedokode 11y ago
> This is jihad, blind violence This might be a war operation. It is very effective to sacrifice eight soldiers to make the whole army retreat. And other countries might be scared too and withdraw their troops. > If you ask the ones who sent them to bomb, i bet you will find a mixture of vague anti-westernism , anti-semitism etc. France is in a war against IS. So they fight with their enemy. > it's hard to come up with solutions to fix the broken arab world What about restraining from using force? Using diplomatic and economic measures?

by return0 11y ago

scrollaway 11y ago

Please cite your sources. I appreciate what you're trying to say, but I've been dealing with this for the past 19 hours and you're putting words in the mouths of attackers who are dead or have not been caught. > Even if ISIS had a UN-recognized state, they wouldn't be able to keep it functioning for a single day. Do you know why we say "know your enemy"? Because the worst thing you can do when facing a threat is underestimate it. You don't want to be caught off-guard. Statistically if you read this site you are familiar with computer security. Think, how does downplaying and underestimating threats work out, in the itsec world? > It's easy to be a terrorist nowadays, because it's hard to come up with solutions to fix the broken arab world. These are two very faintly related points. They're certainly not cause & consequence.

Shorel 11y ago

> blind violence It is in my own not politically correct opinion (I expect to be downvoted for this) not blind at all. It is targeted against freedom of expression and also against feminism, which they see as immoral. It is targeted towards freedom of expression because of the dogmas regarding the depiction of their own religious figures, and that is intimately related to their religion. And all that happens because they went to other countries, but entirely rejecting other cultures, and their own culture includes trying to convert the entire world to Islam. This is also a consequence of the Mongols and the Sack of Baghdad in 1258. Before this, Islam was the enlightened culture that preserved Greek discoveries and it was truly the religion of peace. After it, they became much more orthodox and rejected the science they helped preserve.

scrollaway 11y ago
It truly saddens me every time I write several paragraphs trying to get across the point about islam being used as a tool by people who couldn't give a shit about the religion. Neither on the attacker's side nor on the defending governments' sides. Am I just not getting my point across?
- Shorel 11y ago
  Of course you do. But I think we agree to disagree. I see religions as fundamentally harmful and you don't.
  - scrollaway 11y ago
    I have not stated what I think of religions anywhere in my posts, because it is not relevant - and I'd wager you would be surprised about my answer should you ask. What you do see is this being a religious attack, when it is quite clearly a political one. I'm honestly not sure anymore how someone who thinks through the mentality these people have can come to the conclusion that the logic makes sense. It's just so easy for people to just say "Pah, there's no logic, these people are irrational and crazy and they hate us". But that's bullshit. Everybody is driven by their own set of logic and in the majority of cases, they're easily manipulated by those that are more experienced or stand to gain more than them. This is a fact we have to face: There are horrors being done, and there are reasons behind the horrors being done. So please, I won't try to convince you - instead, think this through yourself: 1. Do these attacks serve a religious goal? If so, which? 2. What are the social consequences on islam and muslims as a result of such attacks? Are they predictable? Are they known by the perpetrators? 3. What happens as a result of those consequences? Who is affected? Who is most negatively affected? 4. Based on your answers on 2 & 3, can you tell who stands to gain the most out of it? 5. Does your answer to 1 still make sense in the context of your answers to 2, 3 & 4? Have fun, I'm going to sleep.

codedokode 11y ago

> This is jihad, blind violence This might be a war operation. It is very effective to sacrifice eight soldiers to make the whole army retreat. And other countries might be scared too and withdraw their troops. > If you ask the ones who sent them to bomb, i bet you will find a mixture of vague anti-westernism , anti-semitism etc. France is in a war against IS. So they fight with their enemy. > it's hard to come up with solutions to fix the broken arab world What about restraining from using force? Using diplomatic and economic measures?