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What a load of crock. LoL is still easily the most toxic community I've ever laid eyes on, and most of the toxicity is created by the way Riot has implemented

What a load of crock. LoL is still easily the most toxic community I've ever laid eyes on, and most of the toxicity is created by the way Riot has implemented their system. All it takes is 1 person to ruin an hour of your day, and if you try and refuse to allow it to be ruined, riot will ban you (you're forced to play a game with someone who is purposefully losing the game because they didn't get what they wanted, and there's nothing you can do except spend the next 30-40 minutes in a game you know is a loss or get banned for leaving the game early). The result is that the community writes these long articles about the "art of dodging". For those unaware, the game happens in 2 stages. "champ select" during which everyone decides on the role and character they're going to play, and then the game itself. If you leave during champ select you get a penalty before you can rejoin a game. First dodged game is 5 minutes, every subsequent dodge is 30 minutes (resets 24 hours after your first dodge). Because champ select + game tends to last an hour and a dodge only lasts 30 minutes, you save time by dodging and waiting. It gets more subtle than that, in that your teammates might get angry at you halfway through the game and then decide to purposefully lose the game for you. Because of this, it becomes an art to determine how much risk you have of wasting time going into a game. So there's these guides running around about how to determine when to dodge as a means of climbing rank (most people will tell you that learning when to dodge is absolutely a skill necessary for climbing quickly). This is all a result of Riot's decision not to give players a means of extricating themselves from these games in a reasonable manner coupled with too much leniency in ranked games with respect to people who do this sort of thing. What happens a lot of times is people get really angry because they end up wasting 3 or 4 hours from these trolls in a single day. A 17 year old off for the summer can play 10+ games a day, a 25 year old with a job cannot, and so that 25 year old can often get very frustrated when he loses multiple games in a row due to trolls. And when you consider it takes another win to even out the loss, it's actually 2 hours that troll took away from you. I stopped playing league because I got tired of just how time consuming it is to play that game and climb rank.

Natsu 11y ago
> LoL is still easily the most toxic community I've ever laid eyes on Then I would submit that you lack experience, they're towards the head of the pack. Also, from that language, you appear to be a bit toxic yourself. > All it takes is 1 person to ruin an hour of your day, and if you try and refuse to allow it to be ruined, riot will ban you You can mute them. What you cannot do is ruin other 8 other peoples' day because of one guy. Moreover, the new pick intent systems are calculated to avoid trolling due to conflict over desired role. Champ select remains a problem they're working on, and there are games worth dodging, but they're far in the minority for me. Of course I'm happy to support, so no one is ever forced into that role unwillingly. > I stopped playing league because I got tired of just how time consuming it is to play that game and climb rank. Ranked is inherently frustrating due to being competitive. Not everyone there is trolling, some are just having really bad games and there's almost a Poe's Law where you can hardly tell the difference. You will find that people are stressed in any competitive game, though, and LoL is really not as bad as most. Note: I've never been banned. Granted, I'm only Gold II myself, but I have played with and against Challengers.
- mreiland 11y ago
  The difference between you and me is I don't view disagreement, even strong disagreement, as toxic behavior. Which is the other part of the community that frustrates me. Riot has spent a lot of time worrying about "chat toxicity" when in fact it's a non-issue due to the mute feature. They've put all this effort into machine learning so they can start banning people automatically for things people find offensive (IIRC, one of their touted successes was folks in asian countries using last names as an insult. The system learned that was offensive and started suspending people automatically for doing it). Imagine if all that effort was instead put into social engineering to help tamp down on people's frustrations with ranked. But it won't be, because ultimately the really loud people are those like you who think disagreement or criticism is tantamount to being toxic (instead of demanding that they change the ranked system to put less power in the hands of the assholes). And yes, I did catch that you edited in that jab about me being toxic after the fact, did you seriously think you were going to get a rise out of me? The truth is I've been playing multiplayer games since the old MUD days before Ultima Online and Everquest were ever a thing. Back when colored text was considered a luxury and people would switch clients based upon the speed of the triggers (especially for pk). I've been involved in enough communities that someone calling me a bad name on the internet rolls off my back. But you know what doesn't roll off my back? Having someone announce in champ select "mid or feed", or "me and X duo bot or feed" and then watching everyone else forced into the following decisions: 1) give them what they want, 2) refuse and risk wasting 2 hours of your time (an extra game to make up for the loss) 3) dodging and being forced to sit out for 30 minutes. Because riot doesn't give them a 4th option 4) opt into giving up the game early. Here's how poorly designed Riot's ranked system is. This is the internet. This means people will have disconnection issues. It's normal. If someone fails to connect to the game (from minute 0), Riot forces the other 4 players to continue playing the game. If any of those 4 players leave they risk getting suspended or banned, and no matter what they do, they take a loss on their ranked record. They automatically lose 2 hours of their life because someone's internet crapped out. Of course people find that shit frustrating. A primary reason Riot has so many shitty people acting shitty in their system is because the design of their system gives those bad actors all of the power. For anyone who is truly curious, watch this video. This man is spot on, and if you doubt it, keep in mind that I stopped playing the game specifically for the reasons this man spoke about. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5UfO7qOHx5M https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5UfO7qOHx5M

Natsu 11y ago

> LoL is still easily the most toxic community I've ever laid eyes on Then I would submit that you lack experience, they're towards the head of the pack. Also, from that language, you appear to be a bit toxic yourself. > All it takes is 1 person to ruin an hour of your day, and if you try and refuse to allow it to be ruined, riot will ban you You can mute them. What you cannot do is ruin other 8 other peoples' day because of one guy. Moreover, the new pick intent systems are calculated to avoid trolling due to conflict over desired role. Champ select remains a problem they're working on, and there are games worth dodging, but they're far in the minority for me. Of course I'm happy to support, so no one is ever forced into that role unwillingly. > I stopped playing league because I got tired of just how time consuming it is to play that game and climb rank. Ranked is inherently frustrating due to being competitive. Not everyone there is trolling, some are just having really bad games and there's almost a Poe's Law where you can hardly tell the difference. You will find that people are stressed in any competitive game, though, and LoL is really not as bad as most. Note: I've never been banned. Granted, I'm only Gold II myself, but I have played with and against Challengers.

mreiland 11y ago
The difference between you and me is I don't view disagreement, even strong disagreement, as toxic behavior. Which is the other part of the community that frustrates me. Riot has spent a lot of time worrying about "chat toxicity" when in fact it's a non-issue due to the mute feature. They've put all this effort into machine learning so they can start banning people automatically for things people find offensive (IIRC, one of their touted successes was folks in asian countries using last names as an insult. The system learned that was offensive and started suspending people automatically for doing it). Imagine if all that effort was instead put into social engineering to help tamp down on people's frustrations with ranked. But it won't be, because ultimately the really loud people are those like you who think disagreement or criticism is tantamount to being toxic (instead of demanding that they change the ranked system to put less power in the hands of the assholes). And yes, I did catch that you edited in that jab about me being toxic after the fact, did you seriously think you were going to get a rise out of me? The truth is I've been playing multiplayer games since the old MUD days before Ultima Online and Everquest were ever a thing. Back when colored text was considered a luxury and people would switch clients based upon the speed of the triggers (especially for pk). I've been involved in enough communities that someone calling me a bad name on the internet rolls off my back. But you know what doesn't roll off my back? Having someone announce in champ select "mid or feed", or "me and X duo bot or feed" and then watching everyone else forced into the following decisions: 1) give them what they want, 2) refuse and risk wasting 2 hours of your time (an extra game to make up for the loss) 3) dodging and being forced to sit out for 30 minutes. Because riot doesn't give them a 4th option 4) opt into giving up the game early. Here's how poorly designed Riot's ranked system is. This is the internet. This means people will have disconnection issues. It's normal. If someone fails to connect to the game (from minute 0), Riot forces the other 4 players to continue playing the game. If any of those 4 players leave they risk getting suspended or banned, and no matter what they do, they take a loss on their ranked record. They automatically lose 2 hours of their life because someone's internet crapped out. Of course people find that shit frustrating. A primary reason Riot has so many shitty people acting shitty in their system is because the design of their system gives those bad actors all of the power. For anyone who is truly curious, watch this video. This man is spot on, and if you doubt it, keep in mind that I stopped playing the game specifically for the reasons this man spoke about. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5UfO7qOHx5M https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5UfO7qOHx5M