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I always wonder why I never see this one on lists of choices: 5. Stop killing large numbers of Muslim people in the Middle East every week and see if that does
by CPLX 11y ago
I always wonder why I never see this one on lists of choices:
5. Stop killing large numbers of Muslim people in the Middle East every week and see if that doesn't make them less likely to kill comparatively small numbers of people in Western cities every couple of years.
- ant6n 11y agoAka 5. Make peace But I forgot, that's just 'naïve'.
- junto 11y agoISIS don't want peace. They want to fulfill a prophesy. Everyone be who is not IS is to be killed. That includes moderate Muslims that don't join IS. Read the wikileaks article linked above. This isn't about revenge or retribution.
- ant6n 11y agoI think it's naive to think that IS exists in some sort of vacuum, rather than within a context of ongoing conflicts between the Western and the muslim world.
- sethherr 11y agoAgreed. Sort of funny this doesn't make the top of everyone's list.
- chinathrow 11y agoA million times this. Disarm the region by UN force. Establish peace and lot's of the issues at hand will be solved with it. Yes it's hard but it needs to be on the top of that list.
- zo1 11y agoThat'll just make things worse, I'm afraid. "Disarm" in this context probably includes a very large occupation force, and would be seen as a defacto invasion of their lands. Really, the only way (in my opinion) to stop this now and de-escalate the hatred, is to segregate via mass deportations and pull-backs of expats. It's not a "pretty" thing to suggest, and I'd even argue against it on moral grounds as it'll include complete innocents.
- vlehto 11y agoI didn't know France was doing that? Anyhow it works relatively nicely here in Finland. We only take part in UN operations as peacekeepers. And we don't have radicalized Muslims doing strikes in Finland. But for some reason Finnish Muslim radicals still travel to Syrian and join ISIS. I don't think Levant will be peaceful in my lifetime unless Israel magically disappears from the map.
- morgante 11y agoBlaming the violence of the Middle East on Israel is naive.
- vlehto 11y agoI didn't try to do that. I just think that conflict fueling unrest more than anything else. And it's lot easier to imagine Israel to disappear than to imagine half of Islamic world to disappear.
- selectodude 11y agoI would point fingers more at Iran vs Saudi Arabia vs ISIS than Israel. If Israel fell off the map, nothing would change.
- morgante 11y ago> I just think that conflict fueling unrest more than anything else. Despite the attention it receives, Israel is actually a pretty localized issue. It has very little to do with the biggest conflicts in the Middle East. If Israel weren't around, Syria would still be destabilized and we would still have ISIS. Also, your rhetoric around wiping Israel off the map kind of gives your agenda away.
- micron7 11y ago> If Israel weren't around, Syria would still be destabilized and we would still have ISIS. Are you sure? According to the founding father of Zionism Theodore Herzl, “the area of the Jewish State stretches: “From the Brook of Egypt to the Euphrates.” According to Rabbi Fischmann, “The Promised Land extends from the River of Egypt up to the Euphrates, it includes parts of Syria and Lebanon.” When viewed in the current context, the war on Iraq, the 2006 war on Lebanon, the 2011 war on Libya, the ongoing war on Syria and Iraq, the war in Yemen, the process of regime change in Egypt, must be understood in relation to the Zionist Plan for the Middle East. The latter consists in weakening and eventually fracturing neighboring Arab states as part of an Israeli expansionist project. The Zionist project supports the Jewish settlement movement. More broadly it involves a policy of excluding Palestinians from Palestine leading to the eventual annexation of both the West Bank and Gaza to the State of Israel. According to Mahdi Darius Nazemroaya in a 2011 Global Research article, The Yinon Plan was a continuation of Britain’s colonial design in the Middle East: “[The Yinon plan] is an Israeli strategic plan to ensure Israeli regional superiority. It insists and stipulates that Israel must reconfigure its geo-political environment through the balkanization of the surrounding Arab states into smaller and weaker states.
- mirimir 11y ago> “I’m going to ask you this question that people asked after 9/11, because I don’t think we still know the answer: Why do they hate us?” [said Maher] ... > “That’s not what terrorists say,” said Maher. When you capture one, or when they leave a note, you know what they say? Because you’re in Muslim lands. I have a crazy idea: Why don’t we get out of Muslim lands?” > “But bombing them over there is what is causing the Paris thing to happen! That connection needs to be made. We don’t have to be bombing them there,” said Maher, before discussing how the U.S. military should vacate the Middle East and let other Middle East countries take on the fight against ISIS. http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/11/13/bill-maher-bombing-isis-caused-the-paris-attacks.html http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/11/13/bill-maher-...
- rimantas 11y agoThe largest number of Muslimm people in the Middle Eeast every week are killed by other muslim people in the Middle Eeast.
- programmernews3 11y agoIs there any place with a significant Mulsim population that is peaceful.....?
- dang 11y agoThe many ideological rants you've posted to HN are an abuse of this site. Please don't post any more of them.
- junto 11y agoI agree completely, but you can't put this genie back in the bottle. What is your solution given the current status quo? Say that we leave them to themselves. The USA abandons all of its based on "Muslim lands". They decide to leave us in peace after we apologise profusely and offer reparations for the damage we've done? They aren't doing this for retribution for our acts in the middle East. You've missed the point of ISIS. They want all non-Muslims who don't want Sharia Law dead. Attacking us is designed to provoke us to alienate the "grey zone" Muslims who have integrated in the west and are moderate, sensible and peaceful. If those moderates don't join IS then they are going to also get killed. These guys are following an "actual" prophesy. They are trying to make it come true. Check out the wikileaks article via my tweet earlier and you'll realise that we have very little chance of preventing further terrorist attacks assuming we continue our current course. Leaving the Muslim lands and making reparations is not going to help the situation at all. It may help or children's children, but it won't solve the "now" problem.
- codedokode 11y agoWest is a enemy against which they can unite all other arabs. If west is not an enemy, they cannot unite and will fight each other, e.g. sunnite vs shiite like they have been doing last thousand years. > They want all non-Muslims who don't want Sharia Law dead This is a good example of a western propaganda. Sure, there are radical people who say so but they do not have mass support to realise this plan and not everyone thinks so. > Leaving the Muslim lands and making reparations is not going to help the situation at all Why don't we try? In the meantime we can take other measures to protect ourselves too.
- hokkos 11y agoPerhaps you talk about the 2000 french terrorists in Syria killing thousand of Syrians ?