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A recent tweet by Newt Gingrich echoes precisely that: https://twitter.com/newtgingrich/status/665312487147896832 https://twitter.com/newtgingrich/status/66531

A recent tweet by Newt Gingrich echoes precisely that: https://twitter.com/newtgingrich/status/665312487147896832 https://twitter.com/newtgingrich/status/665312487147896832 I understand that this is not the popular opinion around here, but I genuinely can't think of an alternative.

sirrocco 11y ago
I call bullshit on that. Tell me one theater/school/whatever attack in the States that has been foiled by armed citizens.
- hyperliner 11y ago
  Here are a few: http://controversialtimes.com/issues/constitutional-rights/12-times-mass-shootings-were-stopped-by-good-guys-with-guns/ http://controversialtimes.com/issues/constitutional-rights/1...
- brogrammer90 11y ago
  Concealed carry permit holders actually follow the law and don't solicit businesses that are "gun free zones."
- stray 11y ago
  According to the FBI (https://leb.fbi.gov/2014/january/active-shooter-events-from-2000-to-2012 https://leb.fbi.gov/2014/january/active-shooter-events-from-...): [In] 33 percent (17) of the cases that ended before the police arrived, the potential victims at the scene stopped the shooter themselves. Most commonly they physically subdued the attacker (14 cases), but 3 cases involved people at the scene shooting the perpetrator to end the attack. So it appears that even the FBI says there were 3 over a span of 12 years that were foiled by armed citizens. And that fully one third of them were stopped by citizens without guns. I would assume that if everybody were armed then, that more than 33 percent would be foiled by armed citizens. That is of course, if you accept the Federal Bureau of Investigation to be a credible source
- miguelrochefort 11y ago
  "Since 2009, 92 Percent of Mass Shootings Have Occurred in Gun-Free Zones" http://freedomoutpost.com/2015/10/since-2009-92-percent-of-mass-shootings-have-occurred-in-gun-free-zones/ http://freedomoutpost.com/2015/10/since-2009-92-percent-of-m...
  - hokkos 11y ago
    But what is the proportion of not gun free colleges ? (because this is where most shooting are)
kohanz 11y ago
Whether you agree with him or not, you have to admit that the timing of that politically-charged tweet was in incredibly poor taste.
- stray 11y ago
  Fully disagree. It is precisely during tragic times like these that people need to be reminded that an unarmed citizenry is completely vulnerable to armed criminals/terrorists. Gun control has zero effect on people who don't care about the law. And many innocent people have just died as a result. Hundreds of families have just been forever changed because of it.
- miguelrochefort 11y ago
  I can't think of a better opportunity to post such a tweet.
- staunch 11y ago
  "Now is the time" = I agree with the argument. "Now is not the time" = I disagree with the argument.

sirrocco 11y ago

I call bullshit on that. Tell me one theater/school/whatever attack in the States that has been foiled by armed citizens.

hyperliner 11y ago
Here are a few: http://controversialtimes.com/issues/constitutional-rights/12-times-mass-shootings-were-stopped-by-good-guys-with-guns/ http://controversialtimes.com/issues/constitutional-rights/1...
brogrammer90 11y ago
Concealed carry permit holders actually follow the law and don't solicit businesses that are "gun free zones."
stray 11y ago
According to the FBI (https://leb.fbi.gov/2014/january/active-shooter-events-from-2000-to-2012 https://leb.fbi.gov/2014/january/active-shooter-events-from-...): [In] 33 percent (17) of the cases that ended before the police arrived, the potential victims at the scene stopped the shooter themselves. Most commonly they physically subdued the attacker (14 cases), but 3 cases involved people at the scene shooting the perpetrator to end the attack. So it appears that even the FBI says there were 3 over a span of 12 years that were foiled by armed citizens. And that fully one third of them were stopped by citizens without guns. I would assume that if everybody were armed then, that more than 33 percent would be foiled by armed citizens. That is of course, if you accept the Federal Bureau of Investigation to be a credible source
miguelrochefort 11y ago
"Since 2009, 92 Percent of Mass Shootings Have Occurred in Gun-Free Zones" http://freedomoutpost.com/2015/10/since-2009-92-percent-of-mass-shootings-have-occurred-in-gun-free-zones/ http://freedomoutpost.com/2015/10/since-2009-92-percent-of-m...
- hokkos 11y ago
  But what is the proportion of not gun free colleges ? (because this is where most shooting are)

kohanz 11y ago

Whether you agree with him or not, you have to admit that the timing of that politically-charged tweet was in incredibly poor taste.

stray 11y ago
Fully disagree. It is precisely during tragic times like these that people need to be reminded that an unarmed citizenry is completely vulnerable to armed criminals/terrorists. Gun control has zero effect on people who don't care about the law. And many innocent people have just died as a result. Hundreds of families have just been forever changed because of it.
miguelrochefort 11y ago
I can't think of a better opportunity to post such a tweet.
staunch 11y ago
"Now is the time" = I agree with the argument. "Now is not the time" = I disagree with the argument.