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I'm curious, under what logic would this stop or get any better if we allow the cancer to grow?

littletimmy 11y ago
By the same logic that a wound heals when you stop poking the scab. If there's any lesson from the past 15 years, it is this: state engineering does not work. Period. You cannot control it. You don't "allow" anything. You cannot stop anything. The forces are beyond your control. Americans and Europeans have to step out of the colonial mindset of trying to control the world. Then we'll have peace.
- oldboyFX 11y ago
  Then we'll hopefully have peace, perhaps. > By the same logic that a wound heals when you stop poking the scab. Except that our governments see themselves as providing first aid to an infected wound. Infected wounds only get worse without treatment. > If there's any lesson from the past 15 years, it is this: state engineering does not work. Period. Their intention was (probably) good, execution on the other hand was less then stellar. > You cannot control it. You don't "allow" anything. You cannot stop anything. The forces are beyond your control. 1940's France would beg to disagree. The Allies in WW2 clearly stopped the Axis powers and controlled their aggression. > Americans and Europeans have to step out of the colonial mindset of trying to control the world. Agreed.
TeMPOraL 11y ago
War on Terror is causing the cancer.
- eva1984 11y ago
  So just give up and offer your good will???
  - littletimmy 11y ago
    To be clear, "giving up" here means stop screwing with other countries. Yes, that's an outstanding strategy. While you're at it, also stop supporting terrorist regimes like Saudi Arabia.
    - sampo 11y ago
      > stop supporting terrorist regimes like Saudi Arabia. In your earlier comment you wrote: > Stop destabilizing Arab countries Isn't supporting the dictatorship in Saudi Arabia pretty much supporting stability? How can you stop supporting a dictator without a big risk of causing destabilization (as happened in Libya)? Seems like you want two logical opposities simultaneously?
      - littletimmy 11y ago
        Or it means that the US has a double-standard approach where it stabilizes favorable dictatorships (Saudi, Qatar, Kuwait) and destabilizes unfavorable dictatorships (Libya, Iraq) and democracies (Egypt 60s, Iran 50s). How about getting out of other people's countries?
  - TeMPOraL 11y ago
    Yes. Treat terror attacks as any other act of organized crime. It's stupid to do otherwise, given that the very point of terrorism is to make you do anything else.
    - mercurial 11y ago
      It's a bit more complex than that. We've reached the point where the Islamic State is a nation-state, which is at war with a number of other states (including France). In this context, how do you differentiate "terrorism" and "act of war"/"black ops action"? I agree that an overreaction is likely, though considering how crazy the latest security law are, I don't see how much worse it can get in this regard.
      - 11y ago

By the same logic that a wound heals when you stop poking the scab. If there's any lesson from the past 15 years, it is this: state engineering does not work. Period. You cannot control it. You don't "allow" anything. You cannot stop anything. The forces are beyond your control. Americans and Europeans have to step out of the colonial mindset of trying to control the world. Then we'll have peace.

oldboyFX 11y ago
Then we'll hopefully have peace, perhaps. > By the same logic that a wound heals when you stop poking the scab. Except that our governments see themselves as providing first aid to an infected wound. Infected wounds only get worse without treatment. > If there's any lesson from the past 15 years, it is this: state engineering does not work. Period. Their intention was (probably) good, execution on the other hand was less then stellar. > You cannot control it. You don't "allow" anything. You cannot stop anything. The forces are beyond your control. 1940's France would beg to disagree. The Allies in WW2 clearly stopped the Axis powers and controlled their aggression. > Americans and Europeans have to step out of the colonial mindset of trying to control the world. Agreed.

TeMPOraL 11y ago

War on Terror is causing the cancer.

eva1984 11y ago
So just give up and offer your good will???
- littletimmy 11y ago
  To be clear, "giving up" here means stop screwing with other countries. Yes, that's an outstanding strategy. While you're at it, also stop supporting terrorist regimes like Saudi Arabia.
  - sampo 11y ago
    > stop supporting terrorist regimes like Saudi Arabia. In your earlier comment you wrote: > Stop destabilizing Arab countries Isn't supporting the dictatorship in Saudi Arabia pretty much supporting stability? How can you stop supporting a dictator without a big risk of causing destabilization (as happened in Libya)? Seems like you want two logical opposities simultaneously?
    - littletimmy 11y ago
      Or it means that the US has a double-standard approach where it stabilizes favorable dictatorships (Saudi, Qatar, Kuwait) and destabilizes unfavorable dictatorships (Libya, Iraq) and democracies (Egypt 60s, Iran 50s). How about getting out of other people's countries?
- TeMPOraL 11y ago
  Yes. Treat terror attacks as any other act of organized crime. It's stupid to do otherwise, given that the very point of terrorism is to make you do anything else.
  - mercurial 11y ago
    It's a bit more complex than that. We've reached the point where the Islamic State is a nation-state, which is at war with a number of other states (including France). In this context, how do you differentiate "terrorism" and "act of war"/"black ops action"? I agree that an overreaction is likely, though considering how crazy the latest security law are, I don't see how much worse it can get in this regard.
    - 11y ago