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As a muslim lurker of this amazing site I would like to express my sympathy to those who died and hope everyone will be safe. Also, those with comments that ar

by sohaeb 11y ago

As a muslim lurker of this amazing site I would like to express my sympathy to those who died and hope everyone will be safe. Also, those with comments that are trying to cause fear and hatred, you are just making other muslims living in the west feel scared and sad. I swear, right now im scared taht one day some people will be treating muslims just like how Americans used to treat black people in Slavery era. Even worse, Im afraid we might see concentration camps like how Nazis did to Jews.

petah 11y ago
I just can't imagine how you can be intelligent enough to come and read up about all the beauty of technology, and still be a follower of such a primitive religion. Any religion, but Muslim religion especially.
- sohaeb 11y ago
  It makes me happy and it gives me hope to live in this sad world. Why does it bother you ? Do you see me go around yelling why did you get Ford not Nissan ? That being said, I feel its the contrary, e.g: When Churches used to kill scientists in the west, Muslims were in their golden era*. But after WW I everything went downhill because of wars. edit: typo
ino 11y ago
Don't fear, we'll get through it. But There is real slavery going on in the emirates and qatar right now if you want to get mad.
- ino 11y ago
  Both our comments are in the heat of the moment. Now I regret replying.
- sohaeb 11y ago
  Totally agree, but we cannot generalize this, I used to work in UAE in construction sites and the company I used to work for used to respect the rights of the labors. most of them I made friends with and they never showed dissatisfaction.
jacquesm 11y ago
Thank you for speaking out, sorry to see you downvoted.
electromage 11y ago
I hope that people in the US will refrain from lashing out against Muslim Americans. Back in 2001 a local mosque and several Muslim-owned businesses were vandalized in response to the NYC attack. It's very sad to see that kind of blind hatred.
tim333 11y ago
If it makes you feel better I'm not sure Christian religious nuttiness is much better. Apparently: >in the prelude to the 2003 Invasion of Iraq, President George W. Bush told Jacques Chirac that Gog and Magog were at work in the Middle East: "This confrontation is willed by God," he told the French leader, "who wants us to use this conflict to erase his people's enemies before a New Age begins." [Wikipedia] which kind of kicked of the present run of difficulties.
ianamartin 11y ago
As a not-believer-of-anything, I appreciate your post. Some, hopefully most people, are able to realize that this is not the work of Islam in general. As a white male living in NYC, I have no idea what it's like to be in your shoes, but I'm also afraid that there will be a backlash against you. When I heard the news I went to the neighborhood deli shop to buy cigarettes. The owners and workers there are muslim. They had a TV set up and were watching the news. I hung out with them for an hour or so. Watching, talking, feeling, reacting. All of us just being human, as the vast majority of people do. As I was leaving I said, "Vive la France." And everyone there started saying it too. I hope for the sake of everyone that all of us can realize that this kind of behavior has nothing to do with the teachings of Islam or the vast majority of how muslims think. My thoughts are with muslim people all over the world tonight just as much as they are with the people of France. There will be reprisals against innocent people. But I will argue and fight against those just as much as I support and care about those who have lost loved ones in Paris today.
- jacquesm 11y ago
  > There will be reprisals against innocent people. That's already starting, some idiots set fire to the camp near Calais.
brogrammer90 11y ago
Please just give up religion altogether. Read "The God Delusion" by Richard Dawkins and step into the 21st century.
- spopejoy 11y ago
  Religion is never going anywhere, despite your pleas. And in case you forgot, secularists brought us the most violent conflicts in history, just last century. US slavery didn't need religion, nor did Apartheid. nor climate change or the atomic bomb. Pacifism is pretty much a religious concept, exclusively so until relatively recent human history. I don't really see how fanatic rationalism has any leg to stand on, really.
  - planck01 11y ago
    > secularists brought us the most violent conflicts in history They didn't do this 'because of secularism' and that's a big difference. They tried to replace religion with other dogma's en use the religious control for their own purpose. Sure, being a secularist doesn't make you good or non-evil. But without dogmas it will be pretty hard to convince others to blow themselves up for your evil plans. No one ever committed mass shooting while shouting 'in the name of science', or 'I hate you because I am a securalist.'
    - spopejoy 11y ago
      Ideologies like Nationalism, Fascism are hardly "religion replacements" but genuine products of the Enlightenment. Nobody forced us to wipe out Native Americans, but there was ample rationalization from the West's most sensitive thinkers. People HAVE committed and OFTEN commit mass shootings while shouting "For the Fatherland" or some other nationalist/racist slogan. Last I checked the body count is higher.
planck01 11y ago
There is no or hardly any aggression against muslims in the western world, except by other muslims. Most aggression is the other way around.

by sohaeb 11y ago

petah 11y ago

I just can't imagine how you can be intelligent enough to come and read up about all the beauty of technology, and still be a follower of such a primitive religion. Any religion, but Muslim religion especially.

sohaeb 11y ago
It makes me happy and it gives me hope to live in this sad world. Why does it bother you ? Do you see me go around yelling why did you get Ford not Nissan ? That being said, I feel its the contrary, e.g: When Churches used to kill scientists in the west, Muslims were in their golden era*. But after WW I everything went downhill because of wars. edit: typo

ino 11y ago

Don't fear, we'll get through it. But There is real slavery going on in the emirates and qatar right now if you want to get mad.

ino 11y ago
Both our comments are in the heat of the moment. Now I regret replying.
sohaeb 11y ago
Totally agree, but we cannot generalize this, I used to work in UAE in construction sites and the company I used to work for used to respect the rights of the labors. most of them I made friends with and they never showed dissatisfaction.

jacquesm 11y ago

Thank you for speaking out, sorry to see you downvoted.

electromage 11y ago

I hope that people in the US will refrain from lashing out against Muslim Americans. Back in 2001 a local mosque and several Muslim-owned businesses were vandalized in response to the NYC attack. It's very sad to see that kind of blind hatred.

tim333 11y ago

If it makes you feel better I'm not sure Christian religious nuttiness is much better. Apparently: >in the prelude to the 2003 Invasion of Iraq, President George W. Bush told Jacques Chirac that Gog and Magog were at work in the Middle East: "This confrontation is willed by God," he told the French leader, "who wants us to use this conflict to erase his people's enemies before a New Age begins." [Wikipedia] which kind of kicked of the present run of difficulties.

ianamartin 11y ago

As a not-believer-of-anything, I appreciate your post. Some, hopefully most people, are able to realize that this is not the work of Islam in general. As a white male living in NYC, I have no idea what it's like to be in your shoes, but I'm also afraid that there will be a backlash against you. When I heard the news I went to the neighborhood deli shop to buy cigarettes. The owners and workers there are muslim. They had a TV set up and were watching the news. I hung out with them for an hour or so. Watching, talking, feeling, reacting. All of us just being human, as the vast majority of people do. As I was leaving I said, "Vive la France." And everyone there started saying it too. I hope for the sake of everyone that all of us can realize that this kind of behavior has nothing to do with the teachings of Islam or the vast majority of how muslims think. My thoughts are with muslim people all over the world tonight just as much as they are with the people of France. There will be reprisals against innocent people. But I will argue and fight against those just as much as I support and care about those who have lost loved ones in Paris today.

jacquesm 11y ago
> There will be reprisals against innocent people. That's already starting, some idiots set fire to the camp near Calais.

brogrammer90 11y ago

Please just give up religion altogether. Read "The God Delusion" by Richard Dawkins and step into the 21st century.

spopejoy 11y ago
Religion is never going anywhere, despite your pleas. And in case you forgot, secularists brought us the most violent conflicts in history, just last century. US slavery didn't need religion, nor did Apartheid. nor climate change or the atomic bomb. Pacifism is pretty much a religious concept, exclusively so until relatively recent human history. I don't really see how fanatic rationalism has any leg to stand on, really.
- planck01 11y ago
  > secularists brought us the most violent conflicts in history They didn't do this 'because of secularism' and that's a big difference. They tried to replace religion with other dogma's en use the religious control for their own purpose. Sure, being a secularist doesn't make you good or non-evil. But without dogmas it will be pretty hard to convince others to blow themselves up for your evil plans. No one ever committed mass shooting while shouting 'in the name of science', or 'I hate you because I am a securalist.'
  - spopejoy 11y ago
    Ideologies like Nationalism, Fascism are hardly "religion replacements" but genuine products of the Enlightenment. Nobody forced us to wipe out Native Americans, but there was ample rationalization from the West's most sensitive thinkers. People HAVE committed and OFTEN commit mass shootings while shouting "For the Fatherland" or some other nationalist/racist slogan. Last I checked the body count is higher.

planck01 11y ago

There is no or hardly any aggression against muslims in the western world, except by other muslims. Most aggression is the other way around.