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For people in and around Paris right now the #PorteOuverte hash tag is being used to help shelter those who cannot make it home safely.

by jonesb6 11y ago

koenigdavidmj 11y ago
Be careful with that. This wouldn't be too hard: 1. Enter house claiming to need to go somewhere. 2. Kill everybody. 3. Move to next willing house and repeat.
- jacquesm 11y ago
  Or the reverse. Enter house expecting safety, get killed.
  - venomsnake 11y ago
    How easy the social fabric can be unraveled :(
    - jacquesm 11y ago
      Destruction and creation are a-symmetrical. I had an interesting exchange with another HN'er not that long ago about that very topic. I ran a community of a million people and it took by my estimates less than 50 dedicated assholes to totally wreck it for everybody else. How they managed that and why I couldn't stop it is very much related to how 'open societies' are impossible to defend against a large enough number of idiots hell bent on destroying them. The ease with which you can destroy something has absolutely no bearing on the amount of hard work it took to create it. Societies are no different in this respect.
      - venomsnake 11y ago
        Unraveling of complex systems is very interesting discipline. We are so fragile. And we intentionally put resilience at the bottom of the priorities. Right now Europe needs people that refuse to be intimidated and simultaneously do not turn into bloodthirsty fiends. But we must have began the process of instilling said culture a decades ago.
      - toomuchtodo 11y ago
        In my years and travels, I've settled on the fact that the only solution to those "assholes" that destroy community fabric is overwhelming force. You cannot reason with someone who has nothing to lose.
        jacquesm 11y ago
        Which suggests an alternative (partial) solution: make sure that people in general have lots to lose especially those on the fringes of society.
        toomuchtodo 11y ago
        There's a reason whether someone has life insurance is used as a signal when determining if they're a terrorist.
        vezzy-fnord 11y ago
        > make sure that people in general have lots to lose especially those on the fringes of society What do you mean by this? It sounds a bit ominous, if you'll pardon me.
        jacquesm 11y ago
        There is nothing ominous about it. A person that is happy, has a life and a means of self-support as well as a family is likely not going to be easily turned against society. On the other hand if every door you try to open is closed and you're being pushed into the corner of having 'nothing to lose' then you might be influenced in a negative way. So better to make sure people have plenty to lose.
        deleted 11y ago
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        vezzy-fnord 11y ago
        Oh. Thank you for clarifying.
- untog 11y ago
  Sure. But it is likely that the people attacking have a carefully orchestrated plan, and I doubt exploiting the rise of a social media hashtag is included within it. Of course, that's not to say there aren't opportunistic people out there, but...
- plesiv 11y ago
  This is the exact scenario I was worried about as well. Idea seems flawed security-wise; but then again in these kind of situations there is no real security. I was wondering though if there are some creative ways to improve this initiative and make it more secure. Anyone has anything better than filtering eventual candidates to give shelter to according to rough "trustworthiness" of their Twitter account?
- huac 11y ago
  This is unnecessarily snarky. But many public buildings are offering shelter as well.
SeoxyS 11y ago
This #PorteOuverte hashtag thing would be cool, if there weren’t a million people talking about how awesome the hashtag is, drowning out the ones actually offering shelter. I browsed through 20 pages of tweets with the hashtag, and only one out of hundreds was actually a Parisian looking for shelter, and none were people offering shelter. Most were talking about how great the hashtag is—inadvertently destroying its usefulness.
- Havoc 11y ago
  Welcome to twitter.

For people in and around Paris right now the #PorteOuverte hash tag is being used to help shelter those who cannot make it home safely.

by jonesb6 11y ago

For people in and around Paris right now the #PorteOuverte hash tag is being used to help shelter those who cannot make it home safely.

koenigdavidmj 11y ago

Be careful with that. This wouldn't be too hard: 1. Enter house claiming to need to go somewhere. 2. Kill everybody. 3. Move to next willing house and repeat.

jacquesm 11y ago
Or the reverse. Enter house expecting safety, get killed.
- venomsnake 11y ago
  How easy the social fabric can be unraveled :(
  - jacquesm 11y ago
    Destruction and creation are a-symmetrical. I had an interesting exchange with another HN'er not that long ago about that very topic. I ran a community of a million people and it took by my estimates less than 50 dedicated assholes to totally wreck it for everybody else. How they managed that and why I couldn't stop it is very much related to how 'open societies' are impossible to defend against a large enough number of idiots hell bent on destroying them. The ease with which you can destroy something has absolutely no bearing on the amount of hard work it took to create it. Societies are no different in this respect.
    - venomsnake 11y ago
      Unraveling of complex systems is very interesting discipline. We are so fragile. And we intentionally put resilience at the bottom of the priorities. Right now Europe needs people that refuse to be intimidated and simultaneously do not turn into bloodthirsty fiends. But we must have began the process of instilling said culture a decades ago.
    - toomuchtodo 11y ago
      In my years and travels, I've settled on the fact that the only solution to those "assholes" that destroy community fabric is overwhelming force. You cannot reason with someone who has nothing to lose.
      - jacquesm 11y ago
        Which suggests an alternative (partial) solution: make sure that people in general have lots to lose especially those on the fringes of society.
        toomuchtodo 11y ago
        There's a reason whether someone has life insurance is used as a signal when determining if they're a terrorist.
        vezzy-fnord 11y ago
        > make sure that people in general have lots to lose especially those on the fringes of society What do you mean by this? It sounds a bit ominous, if you'll pardon me.
        jacquesm 11y ago
        There is nothing ominous about it. A person that is happy, has a life and a means of self-support as well as a family is likely not going to be easily turned against society. On the other hand if every door you try to open is closed and you're being pushed into the corner of having 'nothing to lose' then you might be influenced in a negative way. So better to make sure people have plenty to lose.
        deleted 11y ago
        [deleted]
        vezzy-fnord 11y ago
        Oh. Thank you for clarifying.
untog 11y ago
Sure. But it is likely that the people attacking have a carefully orchestrated plan, and I doubt exploiting the rise of a social media hashtag is included within it. Of course, that's not to say there aren't opportunistic people out there, but...
plesiv 11y ago
This is the exact scenario I was worried about as well. Idea seems flawed security-wise; but then again in these kind of situations there is no real security. I was wondering though if there are some creative ways to improve this initiative and make it more secure. Anyone has anything better than filtering eventual candidates to give shelter to according to rough "trustworthiness" of their Twitter account?
huac 11y ago
This is unnecessarily snarky. But many public buildings are offering shelter as well.

SeoxyS 11y ago

This #PorteOuverte hashtag thing would be cool, if there weren’t a million people talking about how awesome the hashtag is, drowning out the ones actually offering shelter. I browsed through 20 pages of tweets with the hashtag, and only one out of hundreds was actually a Parisian looking for shelter, and none were people offering shelter. Most were talking about how great the hashtag is—inadvertently destroying its usefulness.

Havoc 11y ago
Welcome to twitter.