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State of emergency declared across France after Paris shootings and explosions
- sohaeb 11y agoAs a muslim lurker of this amazing site I would like to express my sympathy to those who died and hope everyone will be safe. Also, those with comments that are trying to cause fear and hatred, you are just making other muslims living in the west feel scared and sad. I swear, right now im scared taht one day some people will be treating muslims just like how Americans used to treat black people in Slavery era. Even worse, Im afraid we might see concentration camps like how Nazis did to Jews.
- petah 11y agoI just can't imagine how you can be intelligent enough to come and read up about all the beauty of technology, and still be a follower of such a primitive religion. Any religion, but Muslim religion especially.
- sohaeb 11y agoIt makes me happy and it gives me hope to live in this sad world. Why does it bother you ? Do you see me go around yelling why did you get Ford not Nissan ? That being said, I feel its the contrary, e.g: When Churches used to kill scientists in the west, Muslims were in their golden era*. But after WW I everything went downhill because of wars. edit: typo
- ino 11y agoDon't fear, we'll get through it. But There is real slavery going on in the emirates and qatar right now if you want to get mad.
- ino 11y agoBoth our comments are in the heat of the moment. Now I regret replying.
- sohaeb 11y agoTotally agree, but we cannot generalize this, I used to work in UAE in construction sites and the company I used to work for used to respect the rights of the labors. most of them I made friends with and they never showed dissatisfaction.
- jacquesm 11y agoThank you for speaking out, sorry to see you downvoted.
- electromage 11y agoI hope that people in the US will refrain from lashing out against Muslim Americans. Back in 2001 a local mosque and several Muslim-owned businesses were vandalized in response to the NYC attack. It's very sad to see that kind of blind hatred.
- tim333 11y agoIf it makes you feel better I'm not sure Christian religious nuttiness is much better. Apparently: >in the prelude to the 2003 Invasion of Iraq, President George W. Bush told Jacques Chirac that Gog and Magog were at work in the Middle East: "This confrontation is willed by God," he told the French leader, "who wants us to use this conflict to erase his people's enemies before a New Age begins." [Wikipedia] which kind of kicked of the present run of difficulties.
- ianamartin 11y agoAs a not-believer-of-anything, I appreciate your post. Some, hopefully most people, are able to realize that this is not the work of Islam in general. As a white male living in NYC, I have no idea what it's like to be in your shoes, but I'm also afraid that there will be a backlash against you. When I heard the news I went to the neighborhood deli shop to buy cigarettes. The owners and workers there are muslim. They had a TV set up and were watching the news. I hung out with them for an hour or so. Watching, talking, feeling, reacting. All of us just being human, as the vast majority of people do. As I was leaving I said, "Vive la France." And everyone there started saying it too. I hope for the sake of everyone that all of us can realize that this kind of behavior has nothing to do with the teachings of Islam or the vast majority of how muslims think. My thoughts are with muslim people all over the world tonight just as much as they are with the people of France. There will be reprisals against innocent people. But I will argue and fight against those just as much as I support and care about those who have lost loved ones in Paris today.
- jacquesm 11y ago> There will be reprisals against innocent people. That's already starting, some idiots set fire to the camp near Calais.
- brogrammer90 11y agoPlease just give up religion altogether. Read "The God Delusion" by Richard Dawkins and step into the 21st century.
- spopejoy 11y agoReligion is never going anywhere, despite your pleas. And in case you forgot, secularists brought us the most violent conflicts in history, just last century. US slavery didn't need religion, nor did Apartheid. nor climate change or the atomic bomb. Pacifism is pretty much a religious concept, exclusively so until relatively recent human history. I don't really see how fanatic rationalism has any leg to stand on, really.
- planck01 11y ago> secularists brought us the most violent conflicts in history They didn't do this 'because of secularism' and that's a big difference. They tried to replace religion with other dogma's en use the religious control for their own purpose. Sure, being a secularist doesn't make you good or non-evil. But without dogmas it will be pretty hard to convince others to blow themselves up for your evil plans. No one ever committed mass shooting while shouting 'in the name of science', or 'I hate you because I am a securalist.'
- spopejoy 11y agoIdeologies like Nationalism, Fascism are hardly "religion replacements" but genuine products of the Enlightenment. Nobody forced us to wipe out Native Americans, but there was ample rationalization from the West's most sensitive thinkers. People HAVE committed and OFTEN commit mass shootings while shouting "For the Fatherland" or some other nationalist/racist slogan. Last I checked the body count is higher.
- planck01 11y agoThere is no or hardly any aggression against muslims in the western world, except by other muslims. Most aggression is the other way around.
- suprgeek 11y agoThe French24 TV feed in English is pretty upto date http://www.france24.com/en/livefeed/ http://www.france24.com/en/livefeed/ These look very much like the Mumbai attacks from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Mumbai_attacks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Mumbai_attacks Basically they go after soft targets where large number of people gather (cafes, bars etc) - very hard to defend against if you have any kind of open society. Whoever these Assholes are they deserve no mercy.
- toomuchtodo 11y agoReddit Live: https://www.reddit.com/live/vwwmdb26t78v https://www.reddit.com/live/vwwmdb26t78v EDIT: If you're anywhere near these events in Paris, please get to safety now!
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- kuschku 11y agoWarning: The authorities put a general curfew over multiple parts of Paris. Unless adviced to do so by the authorities, do not leave your house.
- ps4fanboy 11y agoWith the amount of Syrian/Afghan refugees flooding into Europe right now and Europes involvement in those wars, I imagine this sort of thing is going to be on the rise.
- CM30 11y agoYou may be right, though the sociopaths behind this may have also been home grown terrorists as well. Remember, a lot of organisations like IS are trying to stir up violence among citizens of countries in Europe and the West. Either way, it's an absolutely awful turn of events, and the kind of horrible thing that I thought would never happen again after the attacks in the early 00s.
- ps4fanboy 11y agoThis whole thing is a feedback loop, it will never end.
- openfuture 11y agoExcept it has to :) But your right, recognizing it's a feedback loop is the first step.
- ps4fanboy 11y agoAnd the second step?
- openfuture 11y agoBreak the feedback loop. Keep trusting, keep being fair to everyone. That means not allowing people to break the rules of society due to their personal beliefs but enforcing laws above board. No "shadowbanning" (unlawful arrests) or unlawful surveillance.
- backtoyoujim 11y agoWhich phase would you call this? www.spiegel.de/international/the-future-of-terrorism-what-al-qaida-really-wants-a-369448.html
- benevol 11y agoNext thing you know, a new and even more totally total mass surveillance law is passed. (Obviously, attacks will continue to happen from time to time.)
- vezzy-fnord 11y agoGiven the unusually extreme nature of this (at least from the witness reports of the mayhem as it's ongoing), I fear a mass surveillance bill might actually be one of the lesser worries.
- AnimalMuppet 11y agoMeaning that the violence is a worse worry? Or meaning that you worry about other bills besides just surveillance?
- vezzy-fnord 11y agoExpansion of executive and police powers, I'd assume. In the worst case, you might even hear calls for internment.
- AnimalMuppet 11y agoI presume you mean internment of minorities, immigrants, and/or refugees?
- rdancer 11y agoBrown people, yes.
- wslh 11y agoWhat this means is that France surveillance and intelligence already failed.
- celticninja 11y ago
- Gatsky 11y agoA disaster. Obviously don't know yet who is responsible, but I don't understand why France is being targeted in this way. They are hardly terrorist enemy number one.
- kobayashi 11y agoSofter target. This is my area of study.
- wavefunction 11y agoWhy don't you expound then if you're an expert? Certainly they're closer and easier to get to from the Middle East than other parts of the world and contain a larger Arab population making it easier to hide within and recruit from. But I would imagine French intelligence is deep within that same population and I remember members of the military on patrol in the streets of Paris.
- kobayashi 11y agoTo be clear, I wasn't professing to be an expert. I'd hesitate to assume that French intelligence operatives have thoroughly penetrated terrorist groups and their sympathizers. My experience suggests that French authorities have for years underestimated the threat posed by such groups and are also significantly underfunded/under resourced. The military patrol is primarily a form of security theatre, though that does depend upon the location. Some areas truly do need greater protection, such as repeatedly targeted venues, and those populations do need reassurance that they are not completely vulnerable. I also want to make clear that those forces can actually intervene in the unlikely situation that the protected venue is attacked, but it's also likely that their presence displaces the attacks to alternative sites. Anyway, France has a significant population that is sympathetic to jihadi terrorism's goals and practices, and my understanding is that counterterrorism and terrorism response operations in France - both strategically and tactically - leave much to be desired. France/Paris is not like Munich circa 1972 (shit-show level of unpreparedness), but there's significant room for improvement.
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- philippnagel 11y agoNow the black bar on top seems even more appropriate.
- Glyptodon 11y agoWhy is there to begin with? Seemed random when I first noticed it.
- wavefunction 11y agoI think it's there for Amdahl of IBM. I'm not sure though.
- jacquesm 11y agoYes.
- blackBar 11y agoKind of annoying. Without proper context, it just gives the impression that someone left a stray artifact in a recent commit that got deployed accidentally.
- koenigdavidmj 11y agoThose of us who have been here for a while understand it.
- TranquilMarmot 11y agoFirst thing I did was inspect element on it... class="mourning"... oh :(
- blackBar 11y agoNot really. Here's what I see: <tr> <td bgcolor="#000000"> <img src="s.gif" height="5" width="0"> </td> </tr>
- jonesb6 11y agoFor people in and around Paris right now the #PorteOuverte hash tag is being used to help shelter those who cannot make it home safely.
- koenigdavidmj 11y agoBe careful with that. This wouldn't be too hard: 1. Enter house claiming to need to go somewhere. 2. Kill everybody. 3. Move to next willing house and repeat.
- jacquesm 11y agoOr the reverse. Enter house expecting safety, get killed.
- venomsnake 11y agoHow easy the social fabric can be unraveled :(
- jacquesm 11y agoDestruction and creation are a-symmetrical. I had an interesting exchange with another HN'er not that long ago about that very topic. I ran a community of a million people and it took by my estimates less than 50 dedicated assholes to totally wreck it for everybody else. How they managed that and why I couldn't stop it is very much related to how 'open societies' are impossible to defend against a large enough number of idiots hell bent on destroying them. The ease with which you can destroy something has absolutely no bearing on the amount of hard work it took to create it. Societies are no different in this respect.
- venomsnake 11y agoUnraveling of complex systems is very interesting discipline. We are so fragile. And we intentionally put resilience at the bottom of the priorities. Right now Europe needs people that refuse to be intimidated and simultaneously do not turn into bloodthirsty fiends. But we must have began the process of instilling said culture a decades ago.
- humble_dev 11y agoHow this is related to tech.. Is HN best place to talk about it?
- jacquesm 11y agohttps://news.ycombinator.com/news?p=2 https://news.ycombinator.com/news?p=2
- dang 11y agoPlease read the HN guidelines and you will understand that this site is not just about tech. Indeed that's the most important thing to understand about it. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- brk 11y agoYes, HN has become one of the best places to talk about things like this. Reddit discussions become overrun with useless comments. Stupid memes, puns, and just other irrelevant drivel. Many of the mainstream news outlets have lagging facts, horrible commenting (if any) and biased/washed/slanted reporting. HN thoroughly discourages both worthless commenting and links to worthless news sources. For me personally, I much prefer following stories like this on HN vs anywhere else.
- jewbacca 11y agoTop comments in the primary Reddit thread at the time of this post (using 'top' sorting): https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/3sphue/shootings_reported_in_central_paris_reports_of/ https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/3sphue/shootings... 1. Updated chronology of news with source links 2. Practically important publicization of #porteouverte effort 3. Updated chronology of news as experienced by Parisian local 4. First-person account of person who was present at theatre shooting 5. ... content-light junk starts. More than halfway down the page. There's interesting commentary in this HN thread that I'm not seeing upvoted to visibility on Reddit, so it is valuable. But there is a ton of uniquely valuable stuff on the Reddit thread, and that is consistently the case in these live serious news situations. ---- And 10 minutes after I posted this, the top comment on this very HN thread and all its replies are all empty sentiment. "vive la france", "hearts go out", "be safe", etc.
- rdl 11y agoWhat can we in tech do to help with this kind of situation?
- flyinglizard 11y agoThe tech useful for preventing these situations is exactly the kind that's frowned upon in civil liberties circles.
- AnimalMuppet 11y agoTech useful for surviving it might be more our thing, though...
- ryandrake 11y agoTech that enables education, work training, and cultural assimilation for disenfranchised minority youths is frowned upon in civil liberties circles?
- flyinglizard 11y agoYou demonstrate the colonialist mindset that doesn't understand other cultures seek other ideals than your own. Were the 9/11 hijackers "disenfranchised minority youths"?
- serge2k 11y agoDoesn't France have social systems to enable the first 2, and the 3rd is up to the person. These people aren't victims. They made a choice.
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- fukusa 11y agoSo why didn't the NSA report this suspicious activity to the French authorities?
- rodrigocoelho 11y agoReuters just reported: "French President Hollande decides state of emergency for all of France, borders closed." Source: http://live.reuters.com/Event/Paris_attacks_2?utm_source=twitter http://live.reuters.com/Event/Paris_attacks_2?utm_source=twi...
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- harperlee 11y agoFrance has had millions of muslims since decades. And closing borders works both ways - you can stop people going out.
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- grp 11y agoSo from ~100 hostages, there are more than 70 millions now?
- cballard 11y agoHow, physically? Do borders really... exist in the Schengen Zone? Like, how do they shut this down? https://www.google.com/maps/place/France/@49.5467828,5.4362912,14.07z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0xd54a02933785731:0x6bfd3f96c747d9f7 https://www.google.com/maps/place/France/@49.5467828,5.43629...
- jacquesm 11y agoThat's fairly easy. Airports are closed right now, the old border posts, even though they have been un-manned for quite a while (but not everywhere, as I found out to my surprise a few months ago, a so called 'spot check' was set up on one of the old border posts) can be easily re-established using military personel. It's a lot easier to re-establish something that was there before than it is to do it from scratch and this is more of a logistical problem (and a personel one) than one of technicalities about whether or not such a thing can be done. It's not like France didn't have a functioning border patrol a couple of years ago.
- romanovcode 11y agoPresident of France just declared "state of emergency" and is closing borders.
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- a3voices 11y agoI bet attacks like these will increase in the years ahead, since France will become 10.9% Muslim by 2050. (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/11518702/Mapped-What-the-worlds-religious-landscape-will-look-like-in-2050.html http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/11518702/Mapped-Wh...)
- grp 11y agoPlease, wars of religions are from the 16th century [1]. In 2015, it's probably more linked with the foreign affairs and military operations. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Wars_of_Religion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Wars_of_Religion
- a3voices 11y agoIf there were no Muslims, there would be almost no terror attacks. Conversely, if there were more Muslims, there would be more terror attacks.
- fukusa 11y agoOr could it be that they are just completely desperate brainwashed youth rejected by society? Makes more sense.
- a3voices 11y agoSo they are just Muslim by coincidence?
- fukusa 11y agoWe're getting close. How many Muslims live in France? How many commit terrorist attacks?
- CountSessine 11y agoMakes more sense. To whom - you? Based on what? Logic? You've made no argument. Based on an untested model of psychology bouncing around in your head?
- obrero 11y agoThe people of France elected a government which began bombing Syrians last year, I guess some Syrians thought turn about is fair play and decided to bomb some Frenchmen. The French should just throw in the towel on the imperialism game. I think I'll go watch my copy of "The Battle of Algiers".
- Sven7 11y agoI'd like to see a ban on live threads, when these things happen. Beyond reporting emergency contact info they serve no purpose other than encouraging the next attack.
- borkt 11y agoIf you think an HN thread is is encouraging an attack... might as well shut down twitter, facebook, all versions of press and publishing first
- Sven7 11y agoI obviously meant all live threads.
- ajkjk 11y agoYou legitimately can't imagine any other purpose to them?
- Sven7 11y agoWhen it comes to unfolding tragedies. Nope.
- cft 11y agoLive streams: http://channel9000.net/ http://channel9000.net/
- deanCommie 11y agoAnd here come the "Obviously this is going to happen, France is 10% muslim" posts. If you marginalize people, mistrust them, do not make an effort to integrate them, and make them feel like the only place where they are welcome is segregated communities, don't be surprised when they radicalize. This has happened all throughout history, and will continue without changes. Conservatives scream that Liberals are too soft on immigration, and are too focused on "political correctness". They want them to wake up and recognize that scary "others" are around every corner and can't wait to harm us. Well, the irony is that it is those social policies and that ostracization that creates the conditions in which resentment grows. And here we are. Screaming more about "those muslims". Which only pushes moderate muslims further to feel like there is no tolerance for nuiance in the West. This will do gangbusters for ISIS recruitment. edit: Just so people understand, I'm not victim blaming anyone. I am traumatized as one of my favourite cities and areas that I've been to only weeks ago are in the grips of panic and terror at the hands of horrific monsters. I'm not saying "Well yeah, of course, that's what's going to happen. France had it coming". I'm responding to the people who are saying "Well, yeah, of course, that's what's going to happen. When you allow so many immigrants and muslims have free reign". I'm looking ahead at the next few weeks as people take this opportunity to just blame everything on Islam. And make the situation worse longer term.
- nmc 11y agoYou are right, but acknowledging these posts does nothing to help I am afraid. I know this is not the best place to nitpick, but I believe you should capitalize the "m" in "Muslim" when used as a noun.
- aikah 11y ago> If you marginalize people, mistrust them, do not make an effort to integrate them, and make them feel like the only place where they are welcome is segregated communities, don't be surprised when they radicalize. This has happened all throughout history, and will continue without changes. @deanCommie Please, stop with the excuses , nobody marginalized anybody. The terrorists are not victims , the islamists are not victims. so don't give them excuses. The wide majority of muslims in France are integrated, they are bakers, plumbers , computer scientists , my baker is a muslim , so stop with that bull. There is no excuse none. 10% of the french people are muslims, that's a fact, out of that fact it increases the chances of people chosing an extreme vision of islam. There was attacks in Spain , UK and obviously USA, is it because muslims were marginalized ? so stop please, you are ignorant trying to apply your post modernist canvas on things when some people are still taken hostage as we speak, you should be ashamed of yourself. FYI : I'm black and come from a muslim family though i'm not muslim, those who fail are those who don't try hard enough, nobody said it will be easy. Everything is "free" in France, education , college, healthcare , you feel "marginalized" , well there is Europe and you can basically pick and choose the country you want to live in today. So no excuses, enough.
- guiomie 11y agoWhat is the best way to follow this live when you don't have cable?
- vskarine 11y agoprobably Twitter
- swsieber 11y agoThe reddit live link posted in this comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10562735 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10562735
- jbuss 11y agoHere's a live stream: http://www.france24.com/en/livefeed/ http://www.france24.com/en/livefeed/
- mthomasb 11y agoReddit live feed: https://www.reddit.com/live/vwwmdb26t78v https://www.reddit.com/live/vwwmdb26t78v
- vezzy-fnord 11y agoThe Telegraph has a feed: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/11995227/Paris-shooting-Many-feared-dead-live.html http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/1199...
- dev1n 11y agoPeriscope was actually really interesting, in a terrible sense.
- aikah 11y agoFrench and living in Paris here. I'm at home fortunately but I live nearby the places in the eastern side of Paris that were attacked. Don't know what to say , just that I hope everybody and their families are safe. This is hard, a very hard hit on my country. Vive la France.
- jacquesm 11y agoStrength on you. What a mess, those poor people.
- aikah 11y agoThanks for your kind message. It means a lot to me coming from you.
- jacquesm 11y agoI've got no idea who you are but you're more than welcome, email in my sig if you want to contact me outside of HN. I'm off to bed now, it's been a very long night and not a good one. Sleep well, in spite of everything try to get some rest. j.
- AnimalMuppet 11y agoAs an American, I don't often say this, but: Vive la France. Stay safe.
- mmastrac 11y agoThis is such a terrible event. Our hearts in Canada go out to you. Be safe.
- aikah 11y agoThanks , I've been in your country 3 years ago for 3 month, it's absolutely gorgeous. Many thanks.
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- rayiner 11y agoDisappointed to see the comments downplaying the situation because as many people get killed in car accidents every week or whatever. Terrorist acts damage the social fabric far beyond the death toll. That's the whole point of terrorism.
- jacquesm 11y ago> Terrorist acts damage the social fabric far beyond the death toll. That's the whole point of terrorism. And that's why we very much should not react by further damaging the social fabric ourselves, but that is extremely hard, especially when everybody will be clamoring for some kind of reaction.
- tallerholler 11y agoyes. the damage goes way beyond the death toll. it will be interesting to see how (if) this impacts current policies towards the middle east/syria/isis, personal freedoms/surveillance laws etc. maybe it will also have a side-effect of uniting people and countries against a common threat to all humanity.
- hartator 11y agoState of emergency and closing borders are already personal freedom restrictions.
- jacquesm 11y ago> maybe it will also have a side-effect of uniting people and countries against a common threat to all humanity. I don't think that will happen. Remember "Je suis Charlie"? How long did that sentiment last? It's a matter of time before people will be writing 'Je suis Francais', and then promptly forget it a few days or weeks later.
- obituary_latte 11y agoWhat a shitty outlook. Even worse is that I agree. Can we do anything to change it?
- rayiner 11y agoDisappointed to see the comments downplaying the situation because as many people get killed in car accidents every week or whatever. Terrorist acts damage the social fabric far beyond the death toll. That's the whole point of terrorism.
- rtz12 11y agoGee, I wonder when they will finally tell us that the ones responsible are in fact, islamic terrorists. Mark my words HN, this is just the beginning. I wonder when things like this will happen in other European countries. Germany is a likely candidate, as we are currently mass-importing the potential terrorist candidates. And now, I'll just wait for the downvotes I guess.
- jonah 11y agoThe challenge is to separate the legitimate refugees from those with nefarious intent isn't it. :(
- rtz12 11y agoWhich is impossible. Look at the situation in refugee camps in Germany. Massive violence because a non-muslim refugee insulted the islam (happened quite a few times now). Christian refugees fleeing from the camps and seeking shelter in churches. Refugees constructing mafia-like structures. All these things happen, and that's just what the mass media reports. Police forces around the country have already been ordered to report less on crimes and violence of refugees so the much feared "right" wont use it as a tool. We'll be in some deep shit in the coming years.
- jonah 11y ago> We'll be in some deep shit in the coming years. Yup, as we always have been since we were humans. Sad.
- yarper 11y agoIt already has happened in other european countries..
- rtz12 11y agoTerrorist attacks of this scale? Care to elaborate? I may have missed something here.
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- guiomie 11y agoseriously?
- bosdev 11y agoPeople who utilize a structured society, not a roving band of city-dwelling mercenaries? There are many, many examples of bands of 'citizens' subverting the legal system by taking justice into their own hands. Often, they ended with lynchings. We have police and a government because the protection of the people is the job of professionals who (usually) respect the rule of law, not random able-bodied men hunting down (possibly innocent) people through city streets.
- retiredHUMAN 11y ago>>every able bodied man in Paris would be taking up whatever arms or improvised arms they have and hunting down these murderers to defend their city And accomplishing what? Increasing the death toll? There are professionals who have many hours of training to prepare for this. They know how best to handle this situation.
- vezzy-fnord 11y agoIt's called a state. It has a monopoly on violence. It doesn't take kindly to competition. (Stupid question warrants a stupid answer. Other than the fact that you're relying on a fallacy of evoking a nostalgic period that probably never was, there's the whole matter of the French government ordering a curfew on its citizens for them to stay inside. As such, your scenario of French men taking up arms is explicitly forbidden by the government, and will likely get you killed if you attempted it.)
- AnimalMuppet 11y ago> and will likely get you killed if you attempted it. And not just because it's forbidden by the government. It also makes it much more likely that you get confused with the people the government is trying to stop. (In your own thinking, you may be trying to stop them, too, but the government doesn't know that.)
- elros 11y agoI am French and have friends and family in Paris, fortunately they are all safe. I am however in shock and can't really process much except for shedding tears. I feel the strong need to point out that in these difficult times in Europe and the world, we CANNOT allow right-wing political extremism to use them to gather power. THIS IS NOT ABOUT MUSLIMS, IMMIGRANTS OR WHATNOT. THIS IS ABOUT CRAZY PEOPLE.
- bengalister 11y agoFrench too living in France, but sorry I am fed up of hearing that. Don't you think there's something wrong with Islam and its worshippers in the current days ? Not a single week without hearing about an attack made by islam integrists: Beiruth yesterday, Ankara few weeks ago. It is global, not a few crazy people, tens of thousands of them. Muslims in France have had hard time condeming the Charlie hebdo's attacks and many approved them. There's a strong tendency in the muslim communities these days to reject any Western values. If Islam was once peaceful it is not anymore.
- jacquesm 11y agoI disagree, strongly. I disagree because specifically this is the reaction that these attacks are supposed to provoke leading to a further split of society and if possible an even more fertile ground for further radicalization. Essentially that's the other stroke of the piston. If you really want the engine to stop then please do not react in the way these assholes want you to. Islam has nothing to do with this whatsoever, no more than say a Christian shooter in some cinema in has anything to do with Christianity. Islam as a religion has a ton of issues that make this particular kind of thing very hard to get rid of and it is a sad coincidence that many youths that are easily misled are receptive to all sorts of bs but to generalize across a billion or so people because of what a few assholes did is simply wrong.
- dan_dimerman 11y agoit's not a coincidence. I think the correlation between Islam and violence is too strong to ignore for tolerance and political correctness sake.
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- rodrigocoelho 11y agoReddit Paris Shootings Live Thread: "We will no longer be reporting what's happening at the Bataclan. This is due to a gag request by French Police" Source: https://www.reddit.com/live/vwwnkuplwr9y https://www.reddit.com/live/vwwnkuplwr9y
- nmc 11y agoBack in January, when a guy took hostages in a grocery store in Paris, it was proven that he was watching real-time news channel "BFM-TV", and got information about the positions of the police forces. I can understand why the police units dealing with this situation do not want to let that kind of thing happen again.
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- tosseraccount 11y agoJe suis un Parisian.
- NoCulturalFit 11y agoRight... Well while you live in that Utopia of yours, large groups of Sunni fanatics are currently commuting genocide against non Sunni. How much % of Muslims should think killing apostates is okay until you deem it incompatible with France liberal policies. It's because of dhimmis like you that Le Pen is winning. Wake up and smell your ashes. Edit: someone really needs to look up what Dhimmi means before they actually prove me right. How quickly someone can fall in ones eye. Never saw that coming lol. Full on Dhimmi.
- jacquesm 11y agoFlagged.
- alan_cx 11y agoWhy? Its an angry comment, but its what very many think. Don't we listen in order to understand that which we don't understand? Is only one view allowed? 15 years of this war on terror, and we have this. Something isn't working, something needs to change. I'd suggest that flagging people we don't like the sound of is one of those things we need to change.
- jacquesm 11y ago> "It's because of dhimmis like you" Is specifically against HN guidelines for commenting. Otherwise we're in violent agreement, that whole 'war on terror' thing is bankrupt and it's high time that that was acknowledged in the places where it matters but that will take a lot of time and a very different approach to problem solving.
- NoCulturalFit 11y agoYou probably should look up what dhimmi means as you just proved that you've bought the "war on terror cause terrorists" bs. Full on dhimmi.
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- NoCulturalFit 11y agoI expect Le Pen to win soon. You leftists who ignored Islam being incompatible with the western world can pat yourself.
- uxwtf 11y ago100 dead in Bataclan concert hall
- awesomeasfuck 11y agoThese retarded Islamic idiots have to be stopped.
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- awesomeasfuck 11y agoThese retarded Islamic idiots have to be stopped.
- ausjke 11y agoI would love to integrate any walks of life into melting pots. The _reality_ is that certain religion somehow is different, for that religion a well-educated youth could easily become a cold-blood terrorist after watching some youtube videos and read a few propaganda booklets, throw everything away he previously learnt in the west, the place where he was raised, and use what he learnt to attack from within. That change is usually drastic, maybe that's why we call them extremist. It's very different from other massive killers that are having mental issues. Everything in the universe is ruled by probability, there are hundreds of religions on earth but the integration of this group is just statistically unpredictable with much higher risk. It's not worth integrating in my opinion. I foresee Europe will suffer from it for years to come. https://www.change.org/p/justin-trudeau-extend-resettlement-of-syrian-refugees https://www.change.org/p/justin-trudeau-extend-resettlement-...
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- kyleblarson 11y agoReligion is a virus and islam is a particularly pestiferous strain.
- dang 11y agoAll: when commenting here, as anywhere on HN, kindly remain civil and substantive. Religious slurs are not allowed, nor are personal attacks. We've closed this thread to noob accounts because of trolls. If you've got a new account and want to comment here, feel free to email hn@ycombinator.com.