> This is why I was curious, [...] is a pretty strong indicator that you're probably lying. Like I said above, discount all of my comments if you'd like, that

> This is why I was curious, [...] is a pretty strong indicator that you're probably lying. Like I said above, discount all of my comments if you'd like, that was your goal in the first place. It's an indicator that I didn't keep a list, and that, as I said, I don't want a phone to be such an important part of my conscious experience that I could do so. I doubt any list I gave you would actually lend credibility here, as your position seems to be to discredit vs discuss. > Again, this is how trust works. Not really, no. Trust is established through a set of conditions two or more parties agrees establishes authenticity. You've just made demands, I'm pretty sure. > And I wasn't talking about [...] Neither of these products is "policing your peers in the name of some batshit security claims." Apple, Google and Microsoft have published ground rules for playing in their playground. You said above that you don't want to play in Apple's. So don't play in Apple's. That's totally cool. I just got sick of playing in Google's. It's counter to your message to attempt to force someone else's compliance with your set of values, isn't it?