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> that's why virtually no jobs actually pay the minimum wage. What? Most jobs pay less that minimum wage. > E.g., in the last BI experiment, work effort was

> that's why virtually no jobs actually pay the minimum wage. What? Most jobs pay less that minimum wage. > E.g., in the last BI experiment, work effort was reduced by 13% - more than double the effect of the great recession. Because 13% didn't feel like being slaves anymore. > A much better solution is the Basic Job. That's slavery.

yummyfajitas 11y ago
Less than 1% of people in the US earn minimum wage. http://www.bls.gov/opub/reports/cps/characteristics-of-minimum-wage-workers-2014.pdf http://www.bls.gov/opub/reports/cps/characteristics-of-minim... I'm going to ignore your blatant misuse of the term "slave".
- tehmaco 11y ago
  3.9% of people paid hourly wages earn at or less than minimum wage from that link. Your figure of 0.9% is for people over 25 who earn exactly minimum wage (1.6% in that line earn less than it) Edit: Also, if you're not paid hourly (i.e. flat salary), you'll not be included in those tables. So if you're salaried at minimum wage, but work unpaid hours (which seems to be common in the US), you're earning less than the minimum wage, but not "Officially".
  - yummyfajitas 11y ago
    There are 3 million Americans earning minimum wage or below / 318 million Americans = 0.94%. You can change the denominator if you like, that doesn't change the substance. Regardless, 0.94% or 3.9% is far less than "most" (which is what mrottenkolbar claimed).
    - tehmaco 11y ago
      True, but you do need to change the denominator though, as under 16's and retired people don't earn, so those ~105 million people[0] need to be excluded (otherwise it's mis-representing the facts). [0] http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=age+histogram+of+the+USA http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=age+histogram+of+the+US...
      - yummyfajitas 11y ago
        I said "1% of people" which is correct. You could also say "1.4% of working age people" or "3.9% of hourly wage workers" - these are correct too. The only incorrect statement anyone has made is "most".

yummyfajitas 11y ago

Less than 1% of people in the US earn minimum wage. http://www.bls.gov/opub/reports/cps/characteristics-of-minimum-wage-workers-2014.pdf http://www.bls.gov/opub/reports/cps/characteristics-of-minim... I'm going to ignore your blatant misuse of the term "slave".

tehmaco 11y ago
3.9% of people paid hourly wages earn at or less than minimum wage from that link. Your figure of 0.9% is for people over 25 who earn exactly minimum wage (1.6% in that line earn less than it) Edit: Also, if you're not paid hourly (i.e. flat salary), you'll not be included in those tables. So if you're salaried at minimum wage, but work unpaid hours (which seems to be common in the US), you're earning less than the minimum wage, but not "Officially".
- yummyfajitas 11y ago
  There are 3 million Americans earning minimum wage or below / 318 million Americans = 0.94%. You can change the denominator if you like, that doesn't change the substance. Regardless, 0.94% or 3.9% is far less than "most" (which is what mrottenkolbar claimed).
  - tehmaco 11y ago
    True, but you do need to change the denominator though, as under 16's and retired people don't earn, so those ~105 million people[0] need to be excluded (otherwise it's mis-representing the facts). [0] http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=age+histogram+of+the+USA http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=age+histogram+of+the+US...
    - yummyfajitas 11y ago
      I said "1% of people" which is correct. You could also say "1.4% of working age people" or "3.9% of hourly wage workers" - these are correct too. The only incorrect statement anyone has made is "most".