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"N self-hosted alternatives to popular cloud services" is becoming a meme. Here's 43 self-hosted alternatives to popular cloud services, with one-click demos y

by kentonv 11y ago

"N self-hosted alternatives to popular cloud services" is becoming a meme. Here's 43 self-hosted alternatives to popular cloud services, with one-click demos you can try yourself! https://apps.sandstorm.io/ https://apps.sandstorm.io/ Tiny Tiny RSS, Ghost, Gitlab, and Rocket.Chat are in there. ownCloud is missing, but you can try Davros, which is compatible with the ownCloud client apps. https://apps.sandstorm.io/app/8aspz4sfjnp8u89000mh2v1xrdyx97ytn8hq71mdzv4p4d8n0n3h https://apps.sandstorm.io/app/8aspz4sfjnp8u89000mh2v1xrdyx97... Ampache is missing, but you could try Groove Basin for music -- it's neat in that you can share control of the playback with other people, to implement a communal music player. https://apps.sandstorm.io/app/wfg1r0qra2ewyvns05r0rddqttt57qxurz3nz5z95rjnm63et7e0 https://apps.sandstorm.io/app/wfg1r0qra2ewyvns05r0rddqttt57q... (But also someone should package ownCloud and Ampache for Sandstorm! https://docs.sandstorm.io https://docs.sandstorm.io)

jancborchardt 11y ago
If someone wants to push forward porting ownCloud to Sandstorm, check out this existing issue about it: https://github.com/sandstorm-io/sandstorm/issues/89 https://github.com/sandstorm-io/sandstorm/issues/89 For any help regarding ownCloud internals, everyone is very welcome in our IRC channel #owncloud-dev (on freenode).
- mnutt 11y ago
  Working on the other mentioned project, I've laid some of the groundwork in the last few months (Sandstorm now supports WebDAV, and the OwnCloud sync clients modified to connect) so it's certainly worth picking back up.
kordless 11y ago
That's because MSaaS is fast becoming a new way to ship software. ISVs are taking a serious look at it to improve customer satisfaction and security concerns.
kordless 11y ago
That's because MSaaS is fast becoming a new way to ship software. ISVs are taking serious looks at it.
sogen 11y ago
Sandstorm!
swsieber 11y ago
I would also love to see two other things for Sandstorm, though they might not be a good fit: - A web IDE - A container to run web stuff I'm working on (ie hook it up to the ide through rsync or something)
unethical_ban 11y ago
The problem with sandstorm is the dependence on third-party auth. Until sandstorm has internal user stores, it's not a viable self-hosting solution.
- kentonv 11y ago
  You can log in to Sandstorm using any email address. Eventually, we plan to support logging in using a PGP key. We see "internal user stores" (e.g. basic username/password with no connected email address) as problematic because a major design goal of Sandstorm is the ability to move data between hosts easily. Say you and five friends have been using Rocket.Chat on Sandstorm Oasis, and then you decide to transfer it to a self-hosted Sandstorm server -- or vice versa. It would be nice if after moving, Rocket.Chat can still recognize your five friends and being the same people, so that you don't lose your PM history and such. This is only possible by using some form of federated identities which all Sandstorm servers can independently authenticate. Username/password is inherently per-server so doesn't provide that.
  - unethical_ban 11y ago
    It's not a bad option, and you make a decent case for that. However, the entire point of self-hosting for me is to be entirely self-reliant. Why would I use a github account to login to a Sandstorm Gitlab instance?
    - kentonv 11y ago
      Well, it's entirely up to you what login mechanism you want to use, so if Github isn't what you want, then by all means don't use it. You can be completely self-reliant using email login, or eventually PGP login. But some people find Google and Github login convenient. FWIW we're currently working on a change that will allow you to attach multiple such "identities" to a single account, after which we plan to open up the door to a lot more authentication providers, including other "open" federated options like OpenID or Shibboleth (as well as popular proprietary services like Twitter, Facebook, etc. -- again, it's up to each user to decide what's most convenient for them). Probably at some point you'll be able to host your own IDP as a Sandstorm app, if that's what you want. Other Sandstorm servers would be able to rely on that IDP as well, so it meets the federated requirement.
thaumasiotes 11y ago
My first RSS reader was self-hosted. When I went away on vacation and came back to learn that my computer had shut down during that time, I switched to Google Reader.
- tedunangst 11y ago
  Curious. I had the opposite experience. Went away on vacation and came back to learn Google Reader had shut down.
  - XJOKOLAT 11y ago
    LOL, sorry. Brilliant.
  - thaumasiotes 11y ago
    Must have been a pretty long vacation. ;)
- ianlevesque 11y ago
  The other replies are far more hilarious but you should consider a VPS for this reason rather than a computer at home or similar. They are extremely affordable and can be restarted/restored from backup remotely easier.
nikolay 11y ago
... except that it doesn't have basic stuff like email. For that I use Mail-in-a-Box [0], but I would love to see both projects merging. [0] https://mailinabox.email/ https://mailinabox.email/
- kentonv 11y ago
  Sandstorm does have an email app (roundcube), though admittedly it's a little weird to use right now. We plan to make Sandstorm work better as an email server in the future, probably early 2016-ish.
  - nikolay 11y ago
    I am talking about an email server, not an email client.

by kentonv 11y ago

jancborchardt 11y ago

If someone wants to push forward porting ownCloud to Sandstorm, check out this existing issue about it: https://github.com/sandstorm-io/sandstorm/issues/89 https://github.com/sandstorm-io/sandstorm/issues/89 For any help regarding ownCloud internals, everyone is very welcome in our IRC channel #owncloud-dev (on freenode).

mnutt 11y ago
Working on the other mentioned project, I've laid some of the groundwork in the last few months (Sandstorm now supports WebDAV, and the OwnCloud sync clients modified to connect) so it's certainly worth picking back up.

kordless 11y ago

That's because MSaaS is fast becoming a new way to ship software. ISVs are taking a serious look at it to improve customer satisfaction and security concerns.

kordless 11y ago

That's because MSaaS is fast becoming a new way to ship software. ISVs are taking serious looks at it.

sogen 11y ago

Sandstorm!

swsieber 11y ago

I would also love to see two other things for Sandstorm, though they might not be a good fit: - A web IDE - A container to run web stuff I'm working on (ie hook it up to the ide through rsync or something)

unethical_ban 11y ago

The problem with sandstorm is the dependence on third-party auth. Until sandstorm has internal user stores, it's not a viable self-hosting solution.

kentonv 11y ago
You can log in to Sandstorm using any email address. Eventually, we plan to support logging in using a PGP key. We see "internal user stores" (e.g. basic username/password with no connected email address) as problematic because a major design goal of Sandstorm is the ability to move data between hosts easily. Say you and five friends have been using Rocket.Chat on Sandstorm Oasis, and then you decide to transfer it to a self-hosted Sandstorm server -- or vice versa. It would be nice if after moving, Rocket.Chat can still recognize your five friends and being the same people, so that you don't lose your PM history and such. This is only possible by using some form of federated identities which all Sandstorm servers can independently authenticate. Username/password is inherently per-server so doesn't provide that.
- unethical_ban 11y ago
  It's not a bad option, and you make a decent case for that. However, the entire point of self-hosting for me is to be entirely self-reliant. Why would I use a github account to login to a Sandstorm Gitlab instance?
  - kentonv 11y ago
    Well, it's entirely up to you what login mechanism you want to use, so if Github isn't what you want, then by all means don't use it. You can be completely self-reliant using email login, or eventually PGP login. But some people find Google and Github login convenient. FWIW we're currently working on a change that will allow you to attach multiple such "identities" to a single account, after which we plan to open up the door to a lot more authentication providers, including other "open" federated options like OpenID or Shibboleth (as well as popular proprietary services like Twitter, Facebook, etc. -- again, it's up to each user to decide what's most convenient for them). Probably at some point you'll be able to host your own IDP as a Sandstorm app, if that's what you want. Other Sandstorm servers would be able to rely on that IDP as well, so it meets the federated requirement.

thaumasiotes 11y ago

My first RSS reader was self-hosted. When I went away on vacation and came back to learn that my computer had shut down during that time, I switched to Google Reader.

tedunangst 11y ago
Curious. I had the opposite experience. Went away on vacation and came back to learn Google Reader had shut down.
- XJOKOLAT 11y ago
  LOL, sorry. Brilliant.
- thaumasiotes 11y ago
  Must have been a pretty long vacation. ;)
ianlevesque 11y ago
The other replies are far more hilarious but you should consider a VPS for this reason rather than a computer at home or similar. They are extremely affordable and can be restarted/restored from backup remotely easier.

nikolay 11y ago

... except that it doesn't have basic stuff like email. For that I use Mail-in-a-Box [0], but I would love to see both projects merging. [0] https://mailinabox.email/ https://mailinabox.email/

kentonv 11y ago
Sandstorm does have an email app (roundcube), though admittedly it's a little weird to use right now. We plan to make Sandstorm work better as an email server in the future, probably early 2016-ish.
- nikolay 11y ago
  I am talking about an email server, not an email client.