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Haven't you noticed all of Microsoft's latest "cute" apps are all face-based? * We can guess your age from your face: https://how-old.net/ https://how-old.net/

by uptown 11y ago

Haven't you noticed all of Microsoft's latest "cute" apps are all face-based? * We can guess your age from your face: https://how-old.net/ https://how-old.net/ * We can guess your emotion: https://blogs.microsoft.com/next/2015/11/11/happy-sad-angry-this-microsoft-tool-recognizes-emotions-in-pictures/ https://blogs.microsoft.com/next/2015/11/11/happy-sad-angry-...

gcr 11y ago
us0r's assertion was that Microsoft reports certain recognition results to the government. You're replying with a list of some of Microsoft's technologies that use face attribute estimation. That's not what I was asking for. These are two very different things.
- FungalRaincloud 11y ago
  I don't agree that "microsoft already does this" - so don't take what I'm about to say to mean that. I mean only to show a piece of technology that more directly relates to the comments others have made. That being said, Microsoft has developed a piece of technology called PhotoDNA[0], which is designed with the specific purpose of identifying child pornography. This is actively used on OneDrive and Bing, among other services - including Facebook. It's safe to say that OneDrive does not just delete the content if child pornography is detected - it reports to the authorities. Now, it's hard to argue that they don't have a right to do that, as long as the person is voluntarily using their services. That's where I draw a distinction here: Facebook could elect to turn on PhotoDNA on photos uploaded to their new service, and not properly educate their customers that stuff is being uploaded automatically. This does, essentially, constitute a passive surveillance system. Mind you, if it is used to establish that child pornography is found, you will have a hard time convincing most people that it is overstepping what Facebook should do. That's my concern - that this will be pushed as a "for the children" thing, and then extended to "to cut down on crime" later, once everyone stops caring about its existence. That said, that's my concern. It's not necessarily what I think will happen. I have no reason as of yet to believe that it's the next step. I do not, however, want Facebook automatically uploading (or even scanning) my photos. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PhotoDNA https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PhotoDNA
- uptown 11y ago
  Microsoft's data is included in the PRISM documents: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/politics/prism-collection-documents/ http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/politics/prism-... It's not a huge leap to assume that any and all information they capture, including faces, is susceptible to government data surveillance programs.

by uptown 11y ago

gcr 11y ago

us0r's assertion was that Microsoft reports certain recognition results to the government. You're replying with a list of some of Microsoft's technologies that use face attribute estimation. That's not what I was asking for. These are two very different things.

FungalRaincloud 11y ago
I don't agree that "microsoft already does this" - so don't take what I'm about to say to mean that. I mean only to show a piece of technology that more directly relates to the comments others have made. That being said, Microsoft has developed a piece of technology called PhotoDNA[0], which is designed with the specific purpose of identifying child pornography. This is actively used on OneDrive and Bing, among other services - including Facebook. It's safe to say that OneDrive does not just delete the content if child pornography is detected - it reports to the authorities. Now, it's hard to argue that they don't have a right to do that, as long as the person is voluntarily using their services. That's where I draw a distinction here: Facebook could elect to turn on PhotoDNA on photos uploaded to their new service, and not properly educate their customers that stuff is being uploaded automatically. This does, essentially, constitute a passive surveillance system. Mind you, if it is used to establish that child pornography is found, you will have a hard time convincing most people that it is overstepping what Facebook should do. That's my concern - that this will be pushed as a "for the children" thing, and then extended to "to cut down on crime" later, once everyone stops caring about its existence. That said, that's my concern. It's not necessarily what I think will happen. I have no reason as of yet to believe that it's the next step. I do not, however, want Facebook automatically uploading (or even scanning) my photos. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PhotoDNA https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PhotoDNA
uptown 11y ago
Microsoft's data is included in the PRISM documents: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/politics/prism-collection-documents/ http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/politics/prism-... It's not a huge leap to assume that any and all information they capture, including faces, is susceptible to government data surveillance programs.