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Related: a "meter-long" remotely controlled UAV with explosives was found near the Russian underwater gas pipeline "Nord Stream" (Russia-Germany) just off the s

Related: a "meter-long" remotely controlled UAV with explosives was found near the Russian underwater gas pipeline "Nord Stream" (Russia-Germany) just off the swedish maritime border by the swedish armed forces last week. The implicit assumption (made by me) is that the US (or perhaps UK on the behalf of the US) planted it there just in case. It certainly wasn't Germany or Russia... http://www.thelocal.se/20151107/explosive-sub-found-near-russian-gas-pipeline http://www.thelocal.se/20151107/explosive-sub-found-near-rus... Side-note: This "ally" thing is odd. Germany and Sweden provides the US with intelligence in exchange for intelligence and trade contracts. Germany spies on Sweden. Sweden finds a threat that could threaten gas supply from Russia to Germany and exposes it to the world. Sweden implements an internet surveillance program aimed at domestic arabs but also russian internet traffic flowing through Sweden, to trade with the US for intelligence/favors. US plants a bomb in order to be able to kill critical energy supply to Germany.

wil421 11y ago
Not everything is a US/UK conspiracy. In the grand scheme of things Sweden and Russians relations is probably not at the top of their todo lists. Why would the US want to do anything to Germany anyway? They are one of our strongest allies in the region and house some of our largest military bases outside of the US. The German politicians were publicly appalled at our spying but I feel thats only a show for the public. Business will go on as usual.
- johansch 11y ago
  Sweden isn't really an issue here. Only in discovering this UAV. This is about Russia providing gas to Germany. You can't imagine a future situation where Germany would have to choose between alignment with the US or Russia, and short-term energy supply being a factor? Who else would have the both the capability and interest to place such a UAV/remotely controlled explosion device there? I would even say it would be incompetent of the US administration/military not to prepare for situations like these.
  - eveningcoffee 11y ago
    Nord Stream has very huge strategical value. It allows to sell gas directly to Germany while letting Poland and Ukraine to "starve". It is in my opinion the enabler of crisis in Ukraine which possibility was obvious for me since the Nord Stream was announced - the question was only the timing. At the same time Nord Stream can used as an excuse to strengthen the Russian military presence on the Baltic Sea. In this sense the discovery of a UAV is strongly in favor of Russia.
eveningcoffee 11y ago
It certainly wasn't Germany or Russia... North Stream allows Russia to excuse the military presence on Baltic Sea (to protect the pipe but also cut of aid to Nato allies over the sea). Therefore finding anything that shows threat to the pipe is in favor of Russia. Of course this might have multiple levels. It was planted by US/UK, Russia strengthens military presence close to Sweden, Sweden moves closer to the Nato alliance. I am no expert in this area but I think that your understanding is a bit too simplistic.

wil421 11y ago

Not everything is a US/UK conspiracy. In the grand scheme of things Sweden and Russians relations is probably not at the top of their todo lists. Why would the US want to do anything to Germany anyway? They are one of our strongest allies in the region and house some of our largest military bases outside of the US. The German politicians were publicly appalled at our spying but I feel thats only a show for the public. Business will go on as usual.

johansch 11y ago
Sweden isn't really an issue here. Only in discovering this UAV. This is about Russia providing gas to Germany. You can't imagine a future situation where Germany would have to choose between alignment with the US or Russia, and short-term energy supply being a factor? Who else would have the both the capability and interest to place such a UAV/remotely controlled explosion device there? I would even say it would be incompetent of the US administration/military not to prepare for situations like these.
- eveningcoffee 11y ago
  Nord Stream has very huge strategical value. It allows to sell gas directly to Germany while letting Poland and Ukraine to "starve". It is in my opinion the enabler of crisis in Ukraine which possibility was obvious for me since the Nord Stream was announced - the question was only the timing. At the same time Nord Stream can used as an excuse to strengthen the Russian military presence on the Baltic Sea. In this sense the discovery of a UAV is strongly in favor of Russia.

eveningcoffee 11y ago

It certainly wasn't Germany or Russia... North Stream allows Russia to excuse the military presence on Baltic Sea (to protect the pipe but also cut of aid to Nato allies over the sea). Therefore finding anything that shows threat to the pipe is in favor of Russia. Of course this might have multiple levels. It was planted by US/UK, Russia strengthens military presence close to Sweden, Sweden moves closer to the Nato alliance. I am no expert in this area but I think that your understanding is a bit too simplistic.