4 ms·
I meant could work, as in the place where it actually did work. I wouldn't yet argue that mass exclusion is necessary so that it can work. Whether sortition ca
by panglott 11y ago
I meant could work, as in the place where it actually did work. I wouldn't yet argue that mass exclusion is necessary so that it can work.
Whether sortition can work in a large, inclusive, and diverse society is an interesting question. Democracy can only work in a high-trust environment where people don't expect their political rivals to say, have them murdered or nationalize major industries. The expansion of enfranchisement in the U.S. (at least) has also coincided with the marginalization of very extreme political movements, like Communism.
Say you have an electorate with a very radical far-left or far-right minority that is anathema to the rest of the citizenry? In an electoral democracy, the minority would be excluded in elections (in a first-past-the-post system) or by inclusion as a clear minority (in proportional representation). In a sortitive democracy, it seems like they would have to be excluded from citizenship, or the government would have to have to be large and diffuse enough that the damage of insane or dangerous people could be constrained by the rest of society.
When people are introduced to the idea of sortition, mostly they are shocked by the idea. Because what if you randomly choose a schizophrenic or Hitler to put in charge of the nuclear weapons? I think you have to encourage this tactic at a more familiar level—rather than a group of friends voting on a restaurant, allowing one person to pick after drawing straws. Which, surely, is not at all like giving them a professional military.
- macrael 11y agoEh, it sounds like Athens had systems in place to deal with these problems. With cause you could remove people from office and there was some sort of test to determine if you were eligible for the office at all. Their tests for citizenship (which was the only test that mattered for putting yourself up for election) were bigoted, I don't see any reason to hold them up as useful.
- dragonwriter 11y ago> I meant could work, as in the place where it actually did work. You are still leaping without justification from the way it was implemented and what was necessary for it to work; this is a form of post hoc ergo propter hoc. Yes, it was implemented that way in Athens. That doesn't establish that it had to be implemented that way to work, even in that environment.