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I saw the screenshot and was hoping for crapware-free Firefox, but upon downloading it, the damned Hello icon was there in the toolbar. Presumably later version

I saw the screenshot and was hoping for crapware-free Firefox, but upon downloading it, the damned Hello icon was there in the toolbar. Presumably later versions will add Pocket too, once they start working off a later upstream Firefox version. Meh.

sirn 11y ago
Have you looked at Pale Moon[1]? They're known to be stripping out a lot of components from core browser (no Australis or even Tab Group, though the latter is available as an addon). Biggest weak point is the lack of non-Windows build, but non-official versions are usually available in the forum. [1]: https://www.palemoon.org/ https://www.palemoon.org/
- rockdoe 11y ago
  They don't have Australis because they're based on an older Firefox ESR. Stripping out features that are lazily-loaded JS files and in return being stuck with outdated stuff feels like a very weird tradeoff to me.
  - marssaxman 11y ago
    What does "ESR" mean?
    - rockdoe 11y ago
      https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/organizations/ https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/organizations/ Extended Support Release They're released on a much slower schedule (once a year) and get security fixes backported. They're intended for big organizations that don't want 6-weekly updates and are willing to live with outdated software. But obviously its also handy if you want to fork and can't deal with re-basing every 6 weeks. Especially if you don't intend to update your fork a lot. You still get the free security fixes.
      - marssaxman 11y ago
        Ah, same as "LTS" then. Thanks.
    - deleted 11y ago
      [deleted]
  - chei0aiV 11y ago
    It's not outdated. Rumor: "Pale Moon is just a rebranded rebuild of an old Firefox version" FALSE Pale Moon has been on a divergent path with its own code for a long time already. It was a rebuild in 2009, yes. It was a rebuild with minor changes in the Firefox 4.0 era, yes. But we've come a very long way since then with an increasing amount of different code being carried over each time it was re-based on later Firefox code. It's a true fork now and has been employing rapid development (as opposed to rapid release) to solidify this independent direction with its own focus and attempt at keeping the browser sane, lean, and offering users choice and stability. At the same time, Pale Moon's focus on security and evolving networking standards has added features and kept pace with those developments in other browsers, by e.g. adding TLS 1.1/1.2 support a while back, by offering OCSP-stapling, by keeping a close eye on encryption and the browser's security by continuing to port or re-implement security fixes that apply to Pale Moon as a browser. It is neither old nor outdated, it is not a "rebuild" and it does not use obsolete technologies or have security holes. https://forum.palemoon.org/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=7818&p=50895 https://forum.palemoon.org/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=7818&p=50895
- Albright 11y ago
  > Biggest weak point is the lack of non-Windows build Indeed. I'm a Mac user, so that makes it a non-starter. =/
- chei0aiV 11y ago
  http://linux.palemoon.org/ http://linux.palemoon.org/
spyder 11y ago
http://sourceforge.net/projects/lightfirefox/ http://sourceforge.net/projects/lightfirefox/
ndesaulniers 11y ago
Pocket is being unbundled/moved to an addon that can be removed easier: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1215694 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1215694
Karunamon 11y ago
I must point out that the "hello icon" is for all intents and purposes a hyperlink (it's not a frontend for more code). If you're avoiding Firefox because of the crapware specter, you've been badly misinformed. Later versions are going to split out the Pocket nonsense into a separate plugin as well, so the browser goes back to being clean.

sirn 11y ago

Have you looked at Pale Moon[1]? They're known to be stripping out a lot of components from core browser (no Australis or even Tab Group, though the latter is available as an addon). Biggest weak point is the lack of non-Windows build, but non-official versions are usually available in the forum. [1]: https://www.palemoon.org/ https://www.palemoon.org/

rockdoe 11y ago
They don't have Australis because they're based on an older Firefox ESR. Stripping out features that are lazily-loaded JS files and in return being stuck with outdated stuff feels like a very weird tradeoff to me.
- marssaxman 11y ago
  What does "ESR" mean?
  - rockdoe 11y ago
    https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/organizations/ https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/organizations/ Extended Support Release They're released on a much slower schedule (once a year) and get security fixes backported. They're intended for big organizations that don't want 6-weekly updates and are willing to live with outdated software. But obviously its also handy if you want to fork and can't deal with re-basing every 6 weeks. Especially if you don't intend to update your fork a lot. You still get the free security fixes.
    - marssaxman 11y ago
      Ah, same as "LTS" then. Thanks.
  - deleted 11y ago
    [deleted]
- chei0aiV 11y ago
  It's not outdated. Rumor: "Pale Moon is just a rebranded rebuild of an old Firefox version" FALSE Pale Moon has been on a divergent path with its own code for a long time already. It was a rebuild in 2009, yes. It was a rebuild with minor changes in the Firefox 4.0 era, yes. But we've come a very long way since then with an increasing amount of different code being carried over each time it was re-based on later Firefox code. It's a true fork now and has been employing rapid development (as opposed to rapid release) to solidify this independent direction with its own focus and attempt at keeping the browser sane, lean, and offering users choice and stability. At the same time, Pale Moon's focus on security and evolving networking standards has added features and kept pace with those developments in other browsers, by e.g. adding TLS 1.1/1.2 support a while back, by offering OCSP-stapling, by keeping a close eye on encryption and the browser's security by continuing to port or re-implement security fixes that apply to Pale Moon as a browser. It is neither old nor outdated, it is not a "rebuild" and it does not use obsolete technologies or have security holes. https://forum.palemoon.org/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=7818&p=50895 https://forum.palemoon.org/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=7818&p=50895
Albright 11y ago
> Biggest weak point is the lack of non-Windows build Indeed. I'm a Mac user, so that makes it a non-starter. =/
chei0aiV 11y ago
http://linux.palemoon.org/ http://linux.palemoon.org/

spyder 11y ago

http://sourceforge.net/projects/lightfirefox/ http://sourceforge.net/projects/lightfirefox/

ndesaulniers 11y ago

Pocket is being unbundled/moved to an addon that can be removed easier: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1215694 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1215694

Karunamon 11y ago

I must point out that the "hello icon" is for all intents and purposes a hyperlink (it's not a frontend for more code). If you're avoiding Firefox because of the crapware specter, you've been badly misinformed. Later versions are going to split out the Pocket nonsense into a separate plugin as well, so the browser goes back to being clean.