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In this particular case though, doesn't Van Ness function as part of the 101 to get people from the 80 to the Golden Gate Bridge? I'm no car-centric person but

by xfour 11y ago

In this particular case though, doesn't Van Ness function as part of the 101 to get people from the 80 to the Golden Gate Bridge? I'm no car-centric person but what will happen when you disperse those cars that are making that journey across, to Octavia and Franklin? Let alone the other way across 19th Avenue, which is already a mess. Hopefully less people will attempt to traverse the city but that will take time to change people's routines, during that time I feel like the traffic impact will be enormous. I can imagine that's why they needed the study.

epistasis 11y ago
People learn really quickly to adapt traffic patterns. And considering that there will be a period where there's construction, people will start adapting even before the lanes are completed.
cbhl 11y ago
SF doesn't particularly care for people driving through the city to get to North Bay -- IIRC, there have been protests against building new highways (e.g. along Cesar Chavez / Army St) dating back to the 80s. Drivers will probably shift to CA-1, or Bay Bridge + 580, or even the San Mateo Bridge + 580. Ideally we'd also replace cars running along 101-Van Ness-GGB with shuttle buses for North Bay commuters working at tech companies in SF and the South Bay.
- jacobolus 11y ago
  They’ve been protesting against wrecking the city with shitty highways since long before the 80s. Here was the freeway plan from 1948. http://www.davidrumsey.com/luna/servlet/detail/RUMSEY~8~1~258970~5522255 http://www.davidrumsey.com/luna/servlet/detail/RUMSEY~8~1~25... Thankfully SF residents blocked it, and the city was mostly saved, unlike many other US cities which had their urban centers completely destroyed in ~1940–1980 by freeways and parking lots.
matthewowen 11y ago
If you're trying to do that, you should really be taking 580 over the Richmond-San Rafael bridge. There are very few circumstances in which that isn't the faster route.

by xfour 11y ago

epistasis 11y ago

People learn really quickly to adapt traffic patterns. And considering that there will be a period where there's construction, people will start adapting even before the lanes are completed.

cbhl 11y ago

SF doesn't particularly care for people driving through the city to get to North Bay -- IIRC, there have been protests against building new highways (e.g. along Cesar Chavez / Army St) dating back to the 80s. Drivers will probably shift to CA-1, or Bay Bridge + 580, or even the San Mateo Bridge + 580. Ideally we'd also replace cars running along 101-Van Ness-GGB with shuttle buses for North Bay commuters working at tech companies in SF and the South Bay.

jacobolus 11y ago
They’ve been protesting against wrecking the city with shitty highways since long before the 80s. Here was the freeway plan from 1948. http://www.davidrumsey.com/luna/servlet/detail/RUMSEY~8~1~258970~5522255 http://www.davidrumsey.com/luna/servlet/detail/RUMSEY~8~1~25... Thankfully SF residents blocked it, and the city was mostly saved, unlike many other US cities which had their urban centers completely destroyed in ~1940–1980 by freeways and parking lots.

matthewowen 11y ago

If you're trying to do that, you should really be taking 580 over the Richmond-San Rafael bridge. There are very few circumstances in which that isn't the faster route.