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Actually, I work remotely. I don't commute at all. The tone of your reply is what I was referring to. You sound angry and bitter because of the personal prefer

Actually, I work remotely. I don't commute at all. The tone of your reply is what I was referring to. You sound angry and bitter because of the personal preferences I expressed. You obviously prefer public transit to driving your own car. I don't happen to share your view, but I'm not going to judge you or berate you because of it.

JoeAltmaier 11y ago
Agreed; its just sour grapes. I work remotely, and burn far less fuel out here in my earth-sheltered house in the country than some condo in the city. The car is the least of it - heating, cooking, utilities can dwarf the driving cost.
grapes4me 11y ago
Its not just commuting to work, its everything that comes with living close to things. Socializing is easier, there is more to do, more variety of restaurants and small businesses, better access to services (medical, government, library, etc), and world class entertainment. I'm within walking distance to most things I need even. I just don't understand why people would want to live in the suburbs over living in the country or the city. To me, the burbs are isolating and depressing; they are cultural waste lands. I don't have to to drive everywhere, or maintain a car and thus I am saving another few thousand dollars every year, its fiscally a no brainer to live in the city. if you are going to be a hermit, better off doing it in the country.
- rhapsodic 11y ago
  > I just don't understand why people would want to live in the suburbs over living in the country or the city. To me, the burbs are isolating and depressing; they are cultural waste lands. I don't have to to drive everywhere, or maintain a car and thus I am saving another few thousand dollars every year, its fiscally a no brainer to live in the city. Dude, do you realize you're proving my point in spades? Why are you trying to convince me that living in a city is better than in the suburbs? I'm sure for a lot of people it is. But not for me. I don't care if you prefer living in the city over the suburbs. But you've amply demonstrated that you do care about the fact that I don't. And that's my original point. And I find it amusing that so many city dwellers care so much that there are people who don't share their preferences.
  - grapes4me 11y ago
    I never implied i cared really, don't be so defensive. My point, is that city living is objectively better than the suburbs, which is why i don't understand why people prefer to live in the burbs aisde from irrational and unfounded fears of crime.
    - rhapsodic 11y ago
      > I never implied i cared really, don't be so defensive. The fact that you expended so many keystrokes explaining why you think city living is better implies that you do care. And you were the one being defensive. I never said one word trying to convince you my preference is better. > My point, is that city living is objectively better, which is why i don't understand why people prefer to live in the burbs. No offense, but I don't think you're using the word "objectively" correctly. You seem to put a lot of stock in your perception that it's less expensive to live in the city. But money is a very subjective value. I make enough money that I don't have to ride on smelly buses, so I choose not to. You may view it differently, and that's cool. Perhaps you see it as a personal virtue, or find it gratifying for other reasons. Whatever. And I like being able to start my car in my heated garage in the winter, rather than dig it out of a snow bank parked on the street a block from my house, like some of my urban friends do. It's all very subjective.
      - grapes4me 11y ago
        No i used it correctly not influenced by personal feelings, interpretations, or prejudice; based on facts; unbiased. The only reason I can think of to live in the burbs, is that there can be better public schools, but if you are not raising a family, any argument you can give, I can give you a logical reason why living in a city is better. Regardless of what you spend your money on, or chose to budget, living in a central location without needing a car, close to all amenities and services, is better, plain and simple. I don't see how that is not objective, unless you prefer living far removed from everything and wasting time out of your day traveling in a car, which statically the more time you spend driving the more likely you will die or be injured in a accident.

JoeAltmaier 11y ago

Agreed; its just sour grapes. I work remotely, and burn far less fuel out here in my earth-sheltered house in the country than some condo in the city. The car is the least of it - heating, cooking, utilities can dwarf the driving cost.

grapes4me 11y ago

Its not just commuting to work, its everything that comes with living close to things. Socializing is easier, there is more to do, more variety of restaurants and small businesses, better access to services (medical, government, library, etc), and world class entertainment. I'm within walking distance to most things I need even. I just don't understand why people would want to live in the suburbs over living in the country or the city. To me, the burbs are isolating and depressing; they are cultural waste lands. I don't have to to drive everywhere, or maintain a car and thus I am saving another few thousand dollars every year, its fiscally a no brainer to live in the city. if you are going to be a hermit, better off doing it in the country.

rhapsodic 11y ago
> I just don't understand why people would want to live in the suburbs over living in the country or the city. To me, the burbs are isolating and depressing; they are cultural waste lands. I don't have to to drive everywhere, or maintain a car and thus I am saving another few thousand dollars every year, its fiscally a no brainer to live in the city. Dude, do you realize you're proving my point in spades? Why are you trying to convince me that living in a city is better than in the suburbs? I'm sure for a lot of people it is. But not for me. I don't care if you prefer living in the city over the suburbs. But you've amply demonstrated that you do care about the fact that I don't. And that's my original point. And I find it amusing that so many city dwellers care so much that there are people who don't share their preferences.
- grapes4me 11y ago
  I never implied i cared really, don't be so defensive. My point, is that city living is objectively better than the suburbs, which is why i don't understand why people prefer to live in the burbs aisde from irrational and unfounded fears of crime.
  - rhapsodic 11y ago
    > I never implied i cared really, don't be so defensive. The fact that you expended so many keystrokes explaining why you think city living is better implies that you do care. And you were the one being defensive. I never said one word trying to convince you my preference is better. > My point, is that city living is objectively better, which is why i don't understand why people prefer to live in the burbs. No offense, but I don't think you're using the word "objectively" correctly. You seem to put a lot of stock in your perception that it's less expensive to live in the city. But money is a very subjective value. I make enough money that I don't have to ride on smelly buses, so I choose not to. You may view it differently, and that's cool. Perhaps you see it as a personal virtue, or find it gratifying for other reasons. Whatever. And I like being able to start my car in my heated garage in the winter, rather than dig it out of a snow bank parked on the street a block from my house, like some of my urban friends do. It's all very subjective.
    - grapes4me 11y ago
      No i used it correctly not influenced by personal feelings, interpretations, or prejudice; based on facts; unbiased. The only reason I can think of to live in the burbs, is that there can be better public schools, but if you are not raising a family, any argument you can give, I can give you a logical reason why living in a city is better. Regardless of what you spend your money on, or chose to budget, living in a central location without needing a car, close to all amenities and services, is better, plain and simple. I don't see how that is not objective, unless you prefer living far removed from everything and wasting time out of your day traveling in a car, which statically the more time you spend driving the more likely you will die or be injured in a accident.