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2 points. I won't speak for myself, but from what I've gathered from friends: 1. A lot of people seem to like video ads. Movie ads specially tell you 'whats ho

2 points. I won't speak for myself, but from what I've gathered from friends: 1. A lot of people seem to like video ads. Movie ads specially tell you 'whats hot', and general ads put you 'in the loop' so to speak. I've tried to install ABV for a couple of people who won't let me because they actually like ads (as in youtube, not the shiny bright popups). This may be true for more people than HN crowd would assume. 2. One of the biggest problems I have with non-cable is that I need to think. When I'm with friends, we spend a very considerable amount of time trying to agree on what we want to watch, and often end up watching some stupid cute cat video because we couldn't decide. TV solves that. Perhaps if cable were referred to as 'a curated platform of best video content, being streaming 24/7', the conception would change?

JoeAltmaier 11y ago
I believe crowd-sourcing 'what to watch' will drive you to the lowest common denominator (cat videos). Instead, we take turns choosing. And live with what the other guys choose because, well, that's called being social. Its not too awfully painful to watch a costume drama once in a while.
sosuke 11y ago
Number 2 is true and very frustrating. I'd like to have a Netflix channel option. Sci-fi channel, horror channel etc. Did you ever call up someone else and tell them to turn to a channel then share in the same experience?
- talmand 11y ago
  But there are categories like that. A recent update to Roku made them easier to get to for those devices.
- jonlucc 11y ago
  One issue with this will be that so much media seems to be moving to very compelling stories, and you don't want to miss any. You used to be able to tune into the middle of a show without really missing anything.
greyfox 11y ago
what is abv? abp?
comrh 11y ago
I've experienced #2, with Plex you can make playlists and shuffle through them though which I find mimics TV pretty well (without the ads).
clentaminator 11y ago
I don't think that ads as a way of finding things you may be interested in is necessarily bad, but it's certainly not the only way. If I want to find out what's current or upcoming in videogames I can go to Eurogamer, Polygon, Gematsu, or another site with that kind of focus. (Actually knowing which places are best for your interests and which should be filtered out is another issue, of course...) If a random ad happens to be something I'm curious about then great, but I find that it's more often not. 2 is a fair point, though I wonder if your shared interests as friends (making assumptions here) couldn't guide your search? Cable as 'a curated platform of best video content, being streaming 24/7' is interesting, but the current "best" just may not be someone's thing. Again I think it comes down to wanting to choose precisely what you watch, though I see your point that you don't always know (though if you don't know what you want to watch, maybe doing something else is the option?).
phkahler 11y ago
>> Perhaps if cable were referred to as 'a curated platform of best video content, being streaming 24/7', the conception would change? But the high quality content (when there is any) on cable ends up on extra channels that require you to pay more. IMHO TV was better OTA than on cable. You had a small number of local channels and they had to compete for eyeballs. Content was much better. Cable provides a way to shovel in every little crappy thing to satisfy everyone with something, and yet they still split out the best for extra money. Discovery channel split, even Disney split - which is why ratings dropped for Phinias and Ferb. Great show, but not enough pull for people to pay extra to get it, but they cancelled instead of moving it back.
- jff 11y ago
  > IMHO TV was better OTA than on cable. You had a small number of local channels and they had to compete for eyeballs. OTA TV still exists and it's not bad. $15 for an antenna and I'm getting about 40 channels in Albuquerque.
  - wernercd 11y ago
    Yeah... but then you have to live in Albuquerque... I don't know if good TV is worth THAT price. /s But seriously... I don't mind TV on a schedule SOMETIMES (Walking Dead for example was worth catching on Sunday Night... with the following Talking Dead.) But a majority of the time, I'm doing this or that and want to catch something on my on time. I'm not 100% against commercials, personally... but the extreme to which they went - both on TV and Online - has pushed me to be almost militantly AdBlock'ish. If Netflix (and similar) can bring sanity back to it, all the better.
    - phkahler 11y ago
      >> But a majority of the time, I'm doing this or that and want to catch something on my on time. That's what a DVR is for. They don't actually make anything off the shelf for OTA in the US, but a bit of software and a DTV peripheral on a computer can provide this. I hear TiVo is still around, but not very popular.
serge2k 11y ago
> 1. A lot of people seem to like video ads. Movie ads specially tell you 'whats hot', and general ads put you 'in the loop' so to speak. I've tried to install ABV for a couple of people who won't let me because they actually like ads (as in youtube, not the shiny bright popups). This may be true for more people than HN crowd would assume. Don't care, let them get their trailers elsewhere. No more ads.
samspot 11y ago
#2 is also solved by netflix-roulette on the 'popular' row. It's actually pretty fun!
- judk 11y ago
  I love that Netflix by mail logistics pushed you away from popular content , but online caching servers push you toward poplar content!
judk 11y ago
1. People like well targeted ads for their shopping intent. 2. YouTube autoplay and recommendations and subscriptions. And these days, youtube channels are even buying YouTube ads..

JoeAltmaier 11y ago

I believe crowd-sourcing 'what to watch' will drive you to the lowest common denominator (cat videos). Instead, we take turns choosing. And live with what the other guys choose because, well, that's called being social. Its not too awfully painful to watch a costume drama once in a while.

sosuke 11y ago

Number 2 is true and very frustrating. I'd like to have a Netflix channel option. Sci-fi channel, horror channel etc. Did you ever call up someone else and tell them to turn to a channel then share in the same experience?

talmand 11y ago
But there are categories like that. A recent update to Roku made them easier to get to for those devices.
jonlucc 11y ago
One issue with this will be that so much media seems to be moving to very compelling stories, and you don't want to miss any. You used to be able to tune into the middle of a show without really missing anything.

greyfox 11y ago

what is abv? abp?

comrh 11y ago

I've experienced #2, with Plex you can make playlists and shuffle through them though which I find mimics TV pretty well (without the ads).

clentaminator 11y ago

I don't think that ads as a way of finding things you may be interested in is necessarily bad, but it's certainly not the only way. If I want to find out what's current or upcoming in videogames I can go to Eurogamer, Polygon, Gematsu, or another site with that kind of focus. (Actually knowing which places are best for your interests and which should be filtered out is another issue, of course...) If a random ad happens to be something I'm curious about then great, but I find that it's more often not. 2 is a fair point, though I wonder if your shared interests as friends (making assumptions here) couldn't guide your search? Cable as 'a curated platform of best video content, being streaming 24/7' is interesting, but the current "best" just may not be someone's thing. Again I think it comes down to wanting to choose precisely what you watch, though I see your point that you don't always know (though if you don't know what you want to watch, maybe doing something else is the option?).

phkahler 11y ago

>> Perhaps if cable were referred to as 'a curated platform of best video content, being streaming 24/7', the conception would change? But the high quality content (when there is any) on cable ends up on extra channels that require you to pay more. IMHO TV was better OTA than on cable. You had a small number of local channels and they had to compete for eyeballs. Content was much better. Cable provides a way to shovel in every little crappy thing to satisfy everyone with something, and yet they still split out the best for extra money. Discovery channel split, even Disney split - which is why ratings dropped for Phinias and Ferb. Great show, but not enough pull for people to pay extra to get it, but they cancelled instead of moving it back.

jff 11y ago
> IMHO TV was better OTA than on cable. You had a small number of local channels and they had to compete for eyeballs. OTA TV still exists and it's not bad. $15 for an antenna and I'm getting about 40 channels in Albuquerque.
- wernercd 11y ago
  Yeah... but then you have to live in Albuquerque... I don't know if good TV is worth THAT price. /s But seriously... I don't mind TV on a schedule SOMETIMES (Walking Dead for example was worth catching on Sunday Night... with the following Talking Dead.) But a majority of the time, I'm doing this or that and want to catch something on my on time. I'm not 100% against commercials, personally... but the extreme to which they went - both on TV and Online - has pushed me to be almost militantly AdBlock'ish. If Netflix (and similar) can bring sanity back to it, all the better.
  - phkahler 11y ago
    >> But a majority of the time, I'm doing this or that and want to catch something on my on time. That's what a DVR is for. They don't actually make anything off the shelf for OTA in the US, but a bit of software and a DTV peripheral on a computer can provide this. I hear TiVo is still around, but not very popular.

serge2k 11y ago

> 1. A lot of people seem to like video ads. Movie ads specially tell you 'whats hot', and general ads put you 'in the loop' so to speak. I've tried to install ABV for a couple of people who won't let me because they actually like ads (as in youtube, not the shiny bright popups). This may be true for more people than HN crowd would assume. Don't care, let them get their trailers elsewhere. No more ads.

samspot 11y ago

#2 is also solved by netflix-roulette on the 'popular' row. It's actually pretty fun!

judk 11y ago
I love that Netflix by mail logistics pushed you away from popular content , but online caching servers push you toward poplar content!

judk 11y ago

1. People like well targeted ads for their shopping intent. 2. YouTube autoplay and recommendations and subscriptions. And these days, youtube channels are even buying YouTube ads..