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The Supreme Court only answers the questions posed to them, not the merits of the underlying case, so the article's surprise that they're not addressing anythin
by Natsu 11y ago
The Supreme Court only answers the questions posed to them, not the merits of the underlying case, so the article's surprise that they're not addressing anything else is a strange to hear from a lawyer. It's also surprising to hear this as a "blow" to the Sixth Amendment, as the justices seem to believe they've rejected exactly this logic before in Monsanto. [1] One good thing is that the article hlepfully linked to a transcript of the hearing, a good journalistic practice too often ignored. [2] In the quotes below I've elided sections for clarity, as marked, primarily to remove where they repeated words or such while speaking.
The case involves Sixth Amendment [3] claims regarding asset forfeiture where Petitioner allegedly defrauded Medicare. The Deputy Solicitor General supports freezing this money so that it doesn't become unavailable to pay back the amount allegedly defrauded. Petitioner wants to use it to fund their legal defense. They retained the services of Howard Srebnick, Esq. for this oral argument. [4]
The argument in favor of the seizure is roughly this:
JUSTICE ALITO: [Two twin] brothers rob a bank. They get $10,000. They split it up, $5,000 each. And on that very same day, it happens to be their birthday, and their rich uncle comes and gives each of them $5,000 as a birthday present. So they go out to party, and one of them and they both spend $5,000 partying. One of them spends the money from the bank robbery. The other one spends the money that was given to them by their rich uncle. And your position is that the one who spent the money from the socalled "tainted assets," the money from the bank robbery, is entitled to use the remaining $5,000 to hire an attorney, but the other one is out of luck?
MR. SREBNICK: Yes [...]
JUSTICE KENNEDY: So [...] you want this Court to say spend the bank robbery money first.
The argument against is roughly this:
MR. SREBNICK: Justice Ginsburg, from a constitutional perspective, I don't think that that's necessarily correct because the courts can give injunctive power to restrain assets, even assets currently belonging to the defendant. Our objection is when such an injunction interferes with the constitutionally protected right to retain counsel of choice. And so while the statute could constitutionally allow, provided that there is adequate hearings, et cetera, the restraint of even a defendant's owned assets, lawfully owned assets, that principle can't extend to assets the subset of assets she needs to use counsel of choice.
[1] JUSTICE KAGAN: Mr. Srebnick, this goes back, I think, to the Chief Justice's first question. It seems that the distinction that you're making is one that the Court explicitly rejected in Monsanto.
[2] http://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/14-419_h3ci.pdf http://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcri...
[3] "In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence."
[4] http://www.royblack.com/attorneys/Howard/Srebnick/ http://www.royblack.com/attorneys/Howard/Srebnick/
- lmm 11y agoIsn't that how it works with non-money property though? Suppose the brothers each inherit a yacht from their uncle, and each steal a yacht, and each host a party at a golf club, giving the owner a yacht in exchange - brother A the one he stole, brother B the one he inherited. The owner of the stolen yachts comes calling. Brother A gets to keep his remaining yacht until the golf club owner (who forfeits the stolen one) wins a civil suit against him. Brother B loses his immediately.
- Natsu 11y agoThere's a substitution rule that's discussed in oral argument, but it's a bit complex.
- agarden 11y agoIt strikes me that the problem with Justice Alito's analogy is that it presumes guilt. One could retell the story this way: two brothers each received $5000 from a rich uncle on the same day, and also made $5000 selling old vinyl records that turned out to be highly collectible. Then they go and spend $5000 partying. The government comes along and accuses them of attaining the second $5000 through illicit means and freezes their remaining money on the presumption of guilt. Defendants then cannot hire the counsel they desire, lose their case and go to jail. But it wasn't drugs they sold, it was vinyl. I'm not sure that my story would end up changing legal minds, but failing to consider it as a possibility is unpardonable.
- Natsu 11y agoThey're not saying he's presumed guilty, they're just trying out various scenarios to illustrate the effects of the laws. And if you go that route, then it's not at all fair that some people can hire expensive lawyers and others cannot to improve their chances. If someone defrauds Medicare for millions, why should they get an expensive lawyer for that when other people cannot afford them? If everyone was forced to use public defenders, the powerful would use their influence to make sure that it provided effective, independent defense. Even so, it's not like getting an expensive lawyer somehow gets you off and a public defender guarantees you'll be found guilty. But it does not seem reasonable that we should adopt rules to increase the unfairness by doing everything possible to remove any incentive to improve the public defender's office and doing our utmost to ensure that the poor are forever trapped with ineffective counsel. Just for the record, this guy has a very expensive lawyer, not a public defender.