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The article isn't really clear, but the alleged activities were attributed to SEI, which is not at all the same thing as CMU, although they are obviously relate

by gwright 11y ago

The article isn't really clear, but the alleged activities were attributed to SEI, which is not at all the same thing as CMU, although they are obviously related. reporting: http://www.post-gazette.com/business/technology/2014/07/31/2-CMU-experts-said-to-unmask-surfing-software/stories/201407310210 http://www.post-gazette.com/business/technology/2014/07/31/2... About SEI: http://www.sei.cmu.edu/about/organization/workingwithanFFRDC.cfm http://www.sei.cmu.edu/about/organization/workingwithanFFRDC... Lots of room for discussion about these activities but it probably should be done in the context of expectations for a Federally Funded Research and Development Center (and one funded by the Department of Defense) and not in the context of expectations for a private university.

appleflaxen 11y ago
when you are a subdomain on cmu.edu, I am going to hold cmu.edu responsible for your actions (regardless of the formal legal relationship between the two)
- gwright 11y ago
  Why? Should bit.ly be held responsible for the actions of the Libyan government? Should customers of heroku be held responsible for Heroku's corporate actions (customer.herokuapp.com)? The domain hierarchy doesn't actually tell you much about the relationships between entities and certainly doesn't tell you enough on its own to discern culpability between entities.
  - mlonkibjuyhv 11y ago
    I believe you got the hierarchy backwards.
    - gwright 11y ago
      I believe you are right about the direction. :-) Point still stands, DNS hierarchy doesn't imply culpability or legal responsibility in either direction.
SeanLuke 11y ago
> The article isn't really clear, but the alleged activities were attributed to SEI, which is not at all the same thing as CMU, although they are obviously related. Looks to me like SEI reports directly to the CMU Provost. https://www.cmu.edu/ira/factbook/pdf/facts2007/1_h_m_v_section.pdf https://www.cmu.edu/ira/factbook/pdf/facts2007/1_h_m_v_secti... CMU has a policy on ethical behavior and professionalism among its staff. SEI is staff. So this could have legs. https://www.cmu.edu/academic-integrity/ https://www.cmu.edu/academic-integrity/
doktrin 11y ago
Glad to see someone pointed this out. It's a pretty meaningful distinction. To provide some additional context for other readers, the SEI is in the same category as Lincoln Labs & Los Alamos : managed by a University, but operated largely independently and funded by the federal government.
- hitekker 11y ago
  I've always heard Lincoln Labs referred to as "MIT Lincoln Labs" for people not in the know. Similarly, while SEI does not seem to fall under CMU proper, its very close relation may besmirch the institution.

by gwright 11y ago

appleflaxen 11y ago

when you are a subdomain on cmu.edu, I am going to hold cmu.edu responsible for your actions (regardless of the formal legal relationship between the two)

gwright 11y ago
Why? Should bit.ly be held responsible for the actions of the Libyan government? Should customers of heroku be held responsible for Heroku's corporate actions (customer.herokuapp.com)? The domain hierarchy doesn't actually tell you much about the relationships between entities and certainly doesn't tell you enough on its own to discern culpability between entities.
- mlonkibjuyhv 11y ago
  I believe you got the hierarchy backwards.
  - gwright 11y ago
    I believe you are right about the direction. :-) Point still stands, DNS hierarchy doesn't imply culpability or legal responsibility in either direction.

SeanLuke 11y ago

> The article isn't really clear, but the alleged activities were attributed to SEI, which is not at all the same thing as CMU, although they are obviously related. Looks to me like SEI reports directly to the CMU Provost. https://www.cmu.edu/ira/factbook/pdf/facts2007/1_h_m_v_section.pdf https://www.cmu.edu/ira/factbook/pdf/facts2007/1_h_m_v_secti... CMU has a policy on ethical behavior and professionalism among its staff. SEI is staff. So this could have legs. https://www.cmu.edu/academic-integrity/ https://www.cmu.edu/academic-integrity/

doktrin 11y ago

Glad to see someone pointed this out. It's a pretty meaningful distinction. To provide some additional context for other readers, the SEI is in the same category as Lincoln Labs & Los Alamos : managed by a University, but operated largely independently and funded by the federal government.

hitekker 11y ago
I've always heard Lincoln Labs referred to as "MIT Lincoln Labs" for people not in the know. Similarly, while SEI does not seem to fall under CMU proper, its very close relation may besmirch the institution.