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Just create a new account. I get banned all the time. This is my third account. You can't take it personally. It's either some person being wrong about you or s

Just create a new account. I get banned all the time. This is my third account. You can't take it personally. It's either some person being wrong about you or some automated system. Who cares? I love it when I get banned, it means I won't be back for a while, until the desire for attention overcomes the inertia. This site is kinda like Get Satisfaction for bloggers. "You don't have to create an account. It's just that everybody on this one thread is talking about you right now, and they're all taking your lack of response to mean something." I hate the karma system. Any site that has one is fundamentally flawed (detailed rant: http://gilesbowkett.blogspot.com/2008/05/summon-monsters-open-door-heal-or-die.html http://gilesbowkett.blogspot.com/2008/05/summon-monsters-ope...). It's an automated, massively parallel abusive relationship, and I hate to kick somebody when they're down, but this guy, with all his sad whining about "I don't know what I did wrong, why don't you love me any more"? That is not the sign of a healthy community. That is the sign of an automated, massively parallel abusive relationship. Any venture capitalist knows that you run a lot of experiments and some things fail. The karma system is fail. Throw it away. PS, please ban me.

yes_its_giles 17y ago
PPS, nothing against you, giraffes guy, I just re-read my sentence and it seemed a bit harsh. I'm just saying that a web site that makes a person unhappy is not a good thing for them to be part of, and as someone who comes back repeatedly, despite being banned, to me it looks as if your desire to come back, despite being disenfranchised, is a sure sign of dysfunction. my coming back is certainly dysfunctional, but here I am. people dig the site in spite of its dysfunctions, but it sure would be cool if PG et al just threw the dysfunctional parts away.
mcantelon 17y ago
There is no shortage of karma-free forums elsewhere full of flames and junk. The karma system is helpful in providing feedback to people with a lack of impulse control or respects for others. If you're repeatedly banned, you may want to examine how you communicate as doing so would probably increase your ability to affect change.
- yes_its_giles 17y ago
  I said I liked being banned. Why would I want to change something I like? It's a reminder to avoid getting into arguments with people who pay no attention to logic and have weird, arbitrary loyalties to systems which present no actual usefulness.
  - mcantelon 17y ago
    >Why would I want to change something I like? It's a reminder to avoid getting into arguments with people who pay no attention to logic In other words, you are happy to be rejected by those you consider inferior because you consider it a validation of your own perceived superiority.
    - yes_its_giles 17y ago
      Yeah, exactly. It's a dysfunctional pattern. I enjoy it, but I really think there's a systemic tendency to dysfunctional patterns here. That's inevitable with any social software, so you have to plan for your dysfunctions. Look at Stack Overflow, the dysfunction they get is karma whores answering as many questions as possible, and competing to be first with the answer. That's a pretty great dysfunction. The dysfunction we have here is anybody who polarizes opinions gets banned. The cynical (me) find it amusing and the sensitive (Giraffes) get their feelings hurt. Either way, it's bad. You don't want a community which punishes anyone for voicing controversial opinions, but that's inherent to the design here.
      - mcantelon 17y ago
        I think it's more the the way that opinions are expressed than the opinions themselves which creates blowback (unless one is expressing something truly polarizing, like singing the praises of racial hierarchy). So, if you pay attention to the tone of communication you can express controversial opinions without defensive blowback and have a higher chance of people understanding your ideas.
        17y ago

yes_its_giles 17y ago

PPS, nothing against you, giraffes guy, I just re-read my sentence and it seemed a bit harsh. I'm just saying that a web site that makes a person unhappy is not a good thing for them to be part of, and as someone who comes back repeatedly, despite being banned, to me it looks as if your desire to come back, despite being disenfranchised, is a sure sign of dysfunction. my coming back is certainly dysfunctional, but here I am. people dig the site in spite of its dysfunctions, but it sure would be cool if PG et al just threw the dysfunctional parts away.

mcantelon 17y ago

There is no shortage of karma-free forums elsewhere full of flames and junk. The karma system is helpful in providing feedback to people with a lack of impulse control or respects for others. If you're repeatedly banned, you may want to examine how you communicate as doing so would probably increase your ability to affect change.

yes_its_giles 17y ago
I said I liked being banned. Why would I want to change something I like? It's a reminder to avoid getting into arguments with people who pay no attention to logic and have weird, arbitrary loyalties to systems which present no actual usefulness.
- mcantelon 17y ago
  >Why would I want to change something I like? It's a reminder to avoid getting into arguments with people who pay no attention to logic In other words, you are happy to be rejected by those you consider inferior because you consider it a validation of your own perceived superiority.
  - yes_its_giles 17y ago
    Yeah, exactly. It's a dysfunctional pattern. I enjoy it, but I really think there's a systemic tendency to dysfunctional patterns here. That's inevitable with any social software, so you have to plan for your dysfunctions. Look at Stack Overflow, the dysfunction they get is karma whores answering as many questions as possible, and competing to be first with the answer. That's a pretty great dysfunction. The dysfunction we have here is anybody who polarizes opinions gets banned. The cynical (me) find it amusing and the sensitive (Giraffes) get their feelings hurt. Either way, it's bad. You don't want a community which punishes anyone for voicing controversial opinions, but that's inherent to the design here.
    - mcantelon 17y ago
      I think it's more the the way that opinions are expressed than the opinions themselves which creates blowback (unless one is expressing something truly polarizing, like singing the praises of racial hierarchy). So, if you pay attention to the tone of communication you can express controversial opinions without defensive blowback and have a higher chance of people understanding your ideas.
      - 17y ago