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> False equivalence. I never stated I wanted to mob anyone Then I don't have a beef with you. But the students in these articles are mobbing people physically,

> False equivalence. I never stated I wanted to mob anyone Then I don't have a beef with you. But the students in these articles are mobbing people physically, are preventing others from speaking, are chasing people out of their jobs. That is wrong.

norea-armozel 11y ago
I don't think protests constitute mobbing. Also, I believe in the video the Master at Yale he wasn't mobbed but rather had several public meetings like this. But on the whole, I still don't see any evidence of there being a problem. It just seems to me that there's a strong contingent of social moderates to conservatives that would prefer people to toe the line out of some unnamed tradition. To me, tradition and authority warrant no respect unless it can be justified.
- 13thLetter 11y ago
  > I don't think protests constitute mobbing. A large group of people surrounding one someone and screaming at them, or barging into events and disrupting them, or spitting on people? That's mobbing and it's wrong. > But on the whole, I still don't see any evidence of there being a problem. Would you feel the same way if it was Tea Partiers doing the exact same things? > To me, tradition and authority warrant no respect unless it can be justified. These traditions are what allow people with strongly varying societal views to coexist peacefully in a large country such as this one. The only alternatives to such traditions are either segregation or civil war.
  - norea-armozel 11y ago
    >A large group of people surrounding one someone and screaming at them, or barging into events and disrupting them, or spitting on people? That's mobbing and it's wrong. Are we even looking at the same videos from FIRE? All I see is one woman screaming at one man in a crowd. ONE, not two, not three, not many. ONE person is screaming in the FIRE video. Secondly, where in the videos is anyone spitting on the Yale staffer? Also, lets talk about disrupting events. That's what even my dad (an old hippie) would call a protest. Mind you, my dad is more conservative these days (a Catholic and the like), but I'm sure he wouldn't call modern protests mobbing either. Disrupting events to raise awareness to grievances (whether or not they're genuine) isn't immoral. I think that's something you and I will never agree upon. >Would you feel the same way if it was Tea Partiers doing the exact same things? Yes, they can be as loud as they want, imo, and they have been already loud as they want. It seems you want to play a mind game where people should be silent unless it falls within your standard of legitimate complaint. You and I don't get to decide what's a legitimate complaint since we only do what's good/bad for ourselves. If the some conservative Catholic organization wants to stage a protest to prevent ENDA from passing in Congress who am I to tell them otherwise? The 1st Amendment furnishes them such a right to peaceably assemble. If they're rude or otherwise impolite about it, that's a matter of mere taste/sentiment. It's not a matter of law. >These traditions are what allow people with strongly varying societal views to coexist peacefully in a large country such as this one. You mean the tradition of silence is acceptable because it gives way to false peace? Really? >The only alternatives to such traditions are either segregation or civil war. "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." -- John F. Kennedy. Simply put, if your views require everyone to remain silent or never raise their voice when the established order refuses to change, then you will get civil war. As for segregation, people already do that without raising their voices, Google white flight. TLDR-version: 1. Can you show in the article's FIRE video where anyone but one person is screaming? Also, what spitting (there's none in the video)? 2. You're making some faulty assumptions that the Tea Party movement didn't have disruptive protests when in fact there were several small scale protests around 2010 throughout the US. 3. You want people to peacefully coexist, but you also want people to basically STFU unless you approve of their views. I'm not inclined to agree. People have the moral and legal right to protest. It's not for you or me to decide. 4. What's with this segregation and civil war hyperbole? You really think one screaming woman at Yale equals massive social disorder? Maybe you and I are not on the same page here, but I honestly think you're being dishonest by this false equivalence.

norea-armozel 11y ago

I don't think protests constitute mobbing. Also, I believe in the video the Master at Yale he wasn't mobbed but rather had several public meetings like this. But on the whole, I still don't see any evidence of there being a problem. It just seems to me that there's a strong contingent of social moderates to conservatives that would prefer people to toe the line out of some unnamed tradition. To me, tradition and authority warrant no respect unless it can be justified.

13thLetter 11y ago
> I don't think protests constitute mobbing. A large group of people surrounding one someone and screaming at them, or barging into events and disrupting them, or spitting on people? That's mobbing and it's wrong. > But on the whole, I still don't see any evidence of there being a problem. Would you feel the same way if it was Tea Partiers doing the exact same things? > To me, tradition and authority warrant no respect unless it can be justified. These traditions are what allow people with strongly varying societal views to coexist peacefully in a large country such as this one. The only alternatives to such traditions are either segregation or civil war.
- norea-armozel 11y ago
  >A large group of people surrounding one someone and screaming at them, or barging into events and disrupting them, or spitting on people? That's mobbing and it's wrong. Are we even looking at the same videos from FIRE? All I see is one woman screaming at one man in a crowd. ONE, not two, not three, not many. ONE person is screaming in the FIRE video. Secondly, where in the videos is anyone spitting on the Yale staffer? Also, lets talk about disrupting events. That's what even my dad (an old hippie) would call a protest. Mind you, my dad is more conservative these days (a Catholic and the like), but I'm sure he wouldn't call modern protests mobbing either. Disrupting events to raise awareness to grievances (whether or not they're genuine) isn't immoral. I think that's something you and I will never agree upon. >Would you feel the same way if it was Tea Partiers doing the exact same things? Yes, they can be as loud as they want, imo, and they have been already loud as they want. It seems you want to play a mind game where people should be silent unless it falls within your standard of legitimate complaint. You and I don't get to decide what's a legitimate complaint since we only do what's good/bad for ourselves. If the some conservative Catholic organization wants to stage a protest to prevent ENDA from passing in Congress who am I to tell them otherwise? The 1st Amendment furnishes them such a right to peaceably assemble. If they're rude or otherwise impolite about it, that's a matter of mere taste/sentiment. It's not a matter of law. >These traditions are what allow people with strongly varying societal views to coexist peacefully in a large country such as this one. You mean the tradition of silence is acceptable because it gives way to false peace? Really? >The only alternatives to such traditions are either segregation or civil war. "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." -- John F. Kennedy. Simply put, if your views require everyone to remain silent or never raise their voice when the established order refuses to change, then you will get civil war. As for segregation, people already do that without raising their voices, Google white flight. TLDR-version: 1. Can you show in the article's FIRE video where anyone but one person is screaming? Also, what spitting (there's none in the video)? 2. You're making some faulty assumptions that the Tea Party movement didn't have disruptive protests when in fact there were several small scale protests around 2010 throughout the US. 3. You want people to peacefully coexist, but you also want people to basically STFU unless you approve of their views. I'm not inclined to agree. People have the moral and legal right to protest. It's not for you or me to decide. 4. What's with this segregation and civil war hyperbole? You really think one screaming woman at Yale equals massive social disorder? Maybe you and I are not on the same page here, but I honestly think you're being dishonest by this false equivalence.