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Sure it is. It just depends on what you enjoy. It's called subjective experience and it's a pretty big deal for art. In my experience, that "Bad Apple" tune in

by mbrock 11y ago

Sure it is. It just depends on what you enjoy. It's called subjective experience and it's a pretty big deal for art. In my experience, that "Bad Apple" tune in the article is sublime, strange, beautiful, funny, and novel, all enjoyable characteristics.

coldpie 11y ago
Heh, I saw your post before I read the article and thought "surely it can't be Bad Apple from Touhou." But it is. If you know the tune, you can hear it in the video, but it's a pretty weird corruption of the song. I guess I'm not surprised to see Touhou music being popular in this scene. It's pretty baroque and bombastic to being with, so taking baroque style to its logical conclusion is..... this. I'm not a fan, but I can see the thread. (Aside, if you want a modern take on classical music, check out some of the later Touhou soundtracks. You might find yourself surprised for video game music.) Also a little Totaka's song easter egg in the middle of the first video, if you're into obscure video game minutia.
- mbrock 11y ago
  I don't know anything about video games, but I understand the piece is a heavily modified version of that tune... and yeah, part of the "charm" comes from the corruption of the way the software can't handle the extreme amount of notes. Like a weird digital and arrythmic version of amplifier distortion.
omginternets 11y ago
>It's called subjective experience and it's a pretty big deal for art Yes, I know. What I did was called a quip, and I thought the fine people of Hacker News had a sense of humor. Surely you'll admit that this is far less accessible, in terms of enjoyment, than a lot of other music.
- GFK_of_xmaspast 11y ago
  > Surely you'll admit that this is far less accessible, in terms of enjoyment, than a lot of other music. One cool thing about the internet is the 'long tail' effect that you don't hear much about anymore that allows for all those microgenres like this to thrive.
- mbrock 11y ago
  You may have noticed that my rejoinder was not entirely serious either. Of course it's less accessible. In terms of enjoyment though, I actively seek out non-accessible music, because some of it seems to tickle a particular funny-bone and I don't find that in accessible music. The music I put on to really enjoy on a visceral level is stuff that I can't even play ten seconds of in public settings without people yelling at me. I dunno, people seem to find even this stuff inaccessible, but it's some of my favorite music ever: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=di9xaUBKY5I https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=di9xaUBKY5I
  - imissmyjuno 11y ago
    wow, cool. it's like a musical equivalent of semantic saturation. they zoom in on a phrase and repeat it with such odd signatures that you lose all frame of reference, but then they move onto the next part and it makes sense in the context of a greater picture / chord progression. thanks for the rec!
    - mbrock 11y ago
      Nice description! Yeah, the cuts in that song are really fresh and interesting. At one point in the second half they're jamming out pretty hard and then suddenly everyone starts screaming for a few seconds, Mats pulls up his shirt and laughs, and then the guitar guys goes into an awesome solo. I always laugh at it. The rhythm changes are just awesome too. When I first listened to it they were pretty disorienting but after a few listens I could tap my feet to it and it's so satisfying. Here's another polyrhythmic song that's confusing at first but then really satisfying. It's by Avishai Cohen Trio, I couldn't find the original but this cover is pretty good. https://soundcloud.com/jasper-mellema/trio-pinzin-kinzin-avishai https://soundcloud.com/jasper-mellema/trio-pinzin-kinzin-avi...
  - benplumley 11y ago
    Thank you for posting that video link! I'm listening to the album ProgXprimetal now for the first time and it's incredible.
    - 11y ago

by mbrock 11y ago

coldpie 11y ago

Heh, I saw your post before I read the article and thought "surely it can't be Bad Apple from Touhou." But it is. If you know the tune, you can hear it in the video, but it's a pretty weird corruption of the song. I guess I'm not surprised to see Touhou music being popular in this scene. It's pretty baroque and bombastic to being with, so taking baroque style to its logical conclusion is..... this. I'm not a fan, but I can see the thread. (Aside, if you want a modern take on classical music, check out some of the later Touhou soundtracks. You might find yourself surprised for video game music.) Also a little Totaka's song easter egg in the middle of the first video, if you're into obscure video game minutia.

mbrock 11y ago
I don't know anything about video games, but I understand the piece is a heavily modified version of that tune... and yeah, part of the "charm" comes from the corruption of the way the software can't handle the extreme amount of notes. Like a weird digital and arrythmic version of amplifier distortion.

omginternets 11y ago

>It's called subjective experience and it's a pretty big deal for art Yes, I know. What I did was called a quip, and I thought the fine people of Hacker News had a sense of humor. Surely you'll admit that this is far less accessible, in terms of enjoyment, than a lot of other music.

GFK_of_xmaspast 11y ago
> Surely you'll admit that this is far less accessible, in terms of enjoyment, than a lot of other music. One cool thing about the internet is the 'long tail' effect that you don't hear much about anymore that allows for all those microgenres like this to thrive.
mbrock 11y ago
You may have noticed that my rejoinder was not entirely serious either. Of course it's less accessible. In terms of enjoyment though, I actively seek out non-accessible music, because some of it seems to tickle a particular funny-bone and I don't find that in accessible music. The music I put on to really enjoy on a visceral level is stuff that I can't even play ten seconds of in public settings without people yelling at me. I dunno, people seem to find even this stuff inaccessible, but it's some of my favorite music ever: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=di9xaUBKY5I https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=di9xaUBKY5I
- imissmyjuno 11y ago
  wow, cool. it's like a musical equivalent of semantic saturation. they zoom in on a phrase and repeat it with such odd signatures that you lose all frame of reference, but then they move onto the next part and it makes sense in the context of a greater picture / chord progression. thanks for the rec!
  - mbrock 11y ago
    Nice description! Yeah, the cuts in that song are really fresh and interesting. At one point in the second half they're jamming out pretty hard and then suddenly everyone starts screaming for a few seconds, Mats pulls up his shirt and laughs, and then the guitar guys goes into an awesome solo. I always laugh at it. The rhythm changes are just awesome too. When I first listened to it they were pretty disorienting but after a few listens I could tap my feet to it and it's so satisfying. Here's another polyrhythmic song that's confusing at first but then really satisfying. It's by Avishai Cohen Trio, I couldn't find the original but this cover is pretty good. https://soundcloud.com/jasper-mellema/trio-pinzin-kinzin-avishai https://soundcloud.com/jasper-mellema/trio-pinzin-kinzin-avi...
- benplumley 11y ago
  Thank you for posting that video link! I'm listening to the album ProgXprimetal now for the first time and it's incredible.
  - 11y ago