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Dole Kemp '96

34 points by McKittrick 11y ago

nate_martin 11y ago
Getting a 503. From web.archive.org: https://web.archive.org/web/20150403043329/http://dolekemp96.org/ https://web.archive.org/web/20150403043329/http://dolekemp96...
flomo 11y ago
Not that I ever gave a wit about Bob Dole, but this is HN relevant: Bill Clinton Wants to Put "Big Brother" in Your Computer Bill Clinton believes in bureaucratic micro-management of the information economy. Within his first 100 days as President, Bill Clinton proposed the Clipper Chip -- a secret government-controlled encryption algorithm -- and a companion key escrow system where two government agencies would hold a copy of the keys for every Clipper user. Since then Bill Clinton has released updated versions of encryption proposals which insist that the government hold a key to individual's private data communications. The Clinton Administration's Internet Task Force has proposed legislation that would reduce the rights of users of copyrighted material if that information is used on the Internet. Their infamous "NII White Paper" ignored important court decisions which balance the rights of information users with those of information creators. Bob Dole Will Protect the Constitutional Liberty of Internet Users...
- Natsu 11y ago
  It's amazing when a candidate from 1996 sounds more reasonable on tech issues than most of the modern candidates.
  - AceJohnny2 11y ago
    Why would it seem amazing? To borrow an expression from cstross, the legislasaurus has woken up and smelled the roses. The legal/political class is now well aware of the importance of the digital frontier, which is full of terrorists/pedophiles and won't you please think of the children?!!!1one
    - Natsu 11y ago
      You'd like to believe that things would move forward over time. I mean, as much as we love to hate on things, we have come a long way even in just the past 100 years. But progress seems to be more of a buzzword than anything substantial most of the time.
  - flomo 11y ago
    Or in 1996, it was easier to put up a page on your website which panders to some hypothetical internet libertarian demographic that might vote for you. Ultimately this is just typical American presidential political theater. By election day 1996, Dole and Clinton were in almost total agreement on internet issues. Telecommunications Act, Digital Millennium Copyright Act, etcetera.
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    - Natsu 11y ago
      In 1996, good luck finding many people who thought copyright was going overboard or talking about balance (heck, that's still a bit rare...). The DMCA would become law in just a couple years, it was a real pain to get a browser that wasn't hobbled with export ciphers, and Bill was actively pushing the Clipper chip. About the only good thing that year was that Bill did ease encryption export restrictions by reclassifying it so it was no longer a "munition" but there were still controls, just via a different list.
- LordKano 11y ago
  It's a shame that people need to be reminded of these. For some reason, people tend to see the past through rose-colored glasses.
GabrielF00 11y ago
A relic from the days when people thought that cheesy animated gifs that played continuously constituted good design.
- pavlov 11y ago
  Yet looping animated GIFs are more popular than ever today...
  - oxide 11y ago
    if you re-read the above comment imagining yourself as someone reading it many years in the future you can really appreciate it much more. thanks for putting me on that train of thought.
- dasil003 11y ago
  Also the proper-nouning of "Web site" which I remember seeing in so many 90s-era style guides, but by the time I got my first professional web developer job in 2000 already seemed hopelessly antiquated.
charlesism 11y ago
Whenever I hear about Dole, I think immediately of Kang and Kodos: https://youtube.com/watch?v=4v7XXSt9XRM https://youtube.com/watch?v=4v7XXSt9XRM
mynameishere 11y ago
I actually remember watching Dole awkwardly calling out his "homepage" during a debate. For some reason I remember it as www.bobdole.com, which would have been an improvement over the real, mumbled thing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrDktE8D_gw&t=88m48s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrDktE8D_gw&t=88m48s ...as for that election, the RNC basically just gave it to Clinton, allowing Kodos a chance to pretend to run for president as a reward for his decades of service in running for other elections. As it turns out, they should have gotten a relatively young Donald Trump to run. Dole went on to be a prominent supporter of penis pills.
danso 11y ago
Not only is this site still up (I'm assuming parts of it have gone down since it was originally posted), but the web-design firm that built the site still has a functioning front-page, made with the rock-hard kind of HTML design that maintain its appearance and functionality for at least the next decade of browser and standards changes: http://www.presageinc.com/Presage%20Digital%20Stratgies.html http://www.presageinc.com/Presage%20Digital%20Stratgies.html I think 1996 were the days in which high school age kids could get $30-$50 an hour making webpages of this quality for local businesses. That's not bad small town money when you adjust for inflation.
- rahimnathwani 11y ago
  Surely you're joking! That page may look like text, but in fact it's all (not just the header) a big image: http://www.presageinc.com/Presage%20Digital%20Stratgies_files/shapeimage_1.png http://www.presageinc.com/Presage%20Digital%20Stratgies_file... The same goes for http://www.presageinc.com/Presage_Digital_Strategies,_Inc./Presage_Digital_Strategies.html http://www.presageinc.com/Presage_Digital_Strategies,_Inc./P..., to which http://www.presageinc.com/ http://www.presageinc.com/ redirects.
  - danso 11y ago
    Exactly. Totally consistent as long as image formats don't change ;) I'm amazed at how much HTML markup it took for them to just display a static image. And it looks intentional, i.e. not like markup generated by saving a standard Frontpage/Dreamweaver file.
    - eru 11y ago
      From the source: <meta name="Generator" content="iWeb 1.1.2" />
rwl4 11y ago
Whois Lookup: Domain Name:DOLEKEMP96.ORG Domain ID: D98201782-LROR Creation Date: 2003-05-27T14:15:22Z Updated Date: 2015-08-11T19:32:00Z Cute.

34 points by McKittrick 11y ago

Getting a 503. From web.archive.org: https://web.archive.org/web/20150403043329/http://dolekemp96.org/ https://web.archive.org/web/20150403043329/http://dolekemp96...

flomo 11y ago

Not that I ever gave a wit about Bob Dole, but this is HN relevant: Bill Clinton Wants to Put "Big Brother" in Your Computer Bill Clinton believes in bureaucratic micro-management of the information economy. Within his first 100 days as President, Bill Clinton proposed the Clipper Chip -- a secret government-controlled encryption algorithm -- and a companion key escrow system where two government agencies would hold a copy of the keys for every Clipper user. Since then Bill Clinton has released updated versions of encryption proposals which insist that the government hold a key to individual's private data communications. The Clinton Administration's Internet Task Force has proposed legislation that would reduce the rights of users of copyrighted material if that information is used on the Internet. Their infamous "NII White Paper" ignored important court decisions which balance the rights of information users with those of information creators. Bob Dole Will Protect the Constitutional Liberty of Internet Users...

Natsu 11y ago
It's amazing when a candidate from 1996 sounds more reasonable on tech issues than most of the modern candidates.
- AceJohnny2 11y ago
  Why would it seem amazing? To borrow an expression from cstross, the legislasaurus has woken up and smelled the roses. The legal/political class is now well aware of the importance of the digital frontier, which is full of terrorists/pedophiles and won't you please think of the children?!!!1one
  - Natsu 11y ago
    You'd like to believe that things would move forward over time. I mean, as much as we love to hate on things, we have come a long way even in just the past 100 years. But progress seems to be more of a buzzword than anything substantial most of the time.
- flomo 11y ago
  Or in 1996, it was easier to put up a page on your website which panders to some hypothetical internet libertarian demographic that might vote for you. Ultimately this is just typical American presidential political theater. By election day 1996, Dole and Clinton were in almost total agreement on internet issues. Telecommunications Act, Digital Millennium Copyright Act, etcetera.
  - deleted 11y ago
    [deleted]
  - Natsu 11y ago
    In 1996, good luck finding many people who thought copyright was going overboard or talking about balance (heck, that's still a bit rare...). The DMCA would become law in just a couple years, it was a real pain to get a browser that wasn't hobbled with export ciphers, and Bill was actively pushing the Clipper chip. About the only good thing that year was that Bill did ease encryption export restrictions by reclassifying it so it was no longer a "munition" but there were still controls, just via a different list.
LordKano 11y ago
It's a shame that people need to be reminded of these. For some reason, people tend to see the past through rose-colored glasses.

GabrielF00 11y ago

A relic from the days when people thought that cheesy animated gifs that played continuously constituted good design.

pavlov 11y ago
Yet looping animated GIFs are more popular than ever today...
- oxide 11y ago
  if you re-read the above comment imagining yourself as someone reading it many years in the future you can really appreciate it much more. thanks for putting me on that train of thought.
dasil003 11y ago
Also the proper-nouning of "Web site" which I remember seeing in so many 90s-era style guides, but by the time I got my first professional web developer job in 2000 already seemed hopelessly antiquated.

charlesism 11y ago

Whenever I hear about Dole, I think immediately of Kang and Kodos: https://youtube.com/watch?v=4v7XXSt9XRM https://youtube.com/watch?v=4v7XXSt9XRM

mynameishere 11y ago

I actually remember watching Dole awkwardly calling out his "homepage" during a debate. For some reason I remember it as www.bobdole.com, which would have been an improvement over the real, mumbled thing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrDktE8D_gw&t=88m48s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrDktE8D_gw&t=88m48s ...as for that election, the RNC basically just gave it to Clinton, allowing Kodos a chance to pretend to run for president as a reward for his decades of service in running for other elections. As it turns out, they should have gotten a relatively young Donald Trump to run. Dole went on to be a prominent supporter of penis pills.

danso 11y ago

Not only is this site still up (I'm assuming parts of it have gone down since it was originally posted), but the web-design firm that built the site still has a functioning front-page, made with the rock-hard kind of HTML design that maintain its appearance and functionality for at least the next decade of browser and standards changes: http://www.presageinc.com/Presage%20Digital%20Stratgies.html http://www.presageinc.com/Presage%20Digital%20Stratgies.html I think 1996 were the days in which high school age kids could get $30-$50 an hour making webpages of this quality for local businesses. That's not bad small town money when you adjust for inflation.

rahimnathwani 11y ago
Surely you're joking! That page may look like text, but in fact it's all (not just the header) a big image: http://www.presageinc.com/Presage%20Digital%20Stratgies_files/shapeimage_1.png http://www.presageinc.com/Presage%20Digital%20Stratgies_file... The same goes for http://www.presageinc.com/Presage_Digital_Strategies,_Inc./Presage_Digital_Strategies.html http://www.presageinc.com/Presage_Digital_Strategies,_Inc./P..., to which http://www.presageinc.com/ http://www.presageinc.com/ redirects.
- danso 11y ago
  Exactly. Totally consistent as long as image formats don't change ;) I'm amazed at how much HTML markup it took for them to just display a static image. And it looks intentional, i.e. not like markup generated by saving a standard Frontpage/Dreamweaver file.
  - eru 11y ago
    From the source: <meta name="Generator" content="iWeb 1.1.2" />

rwl4 11y ago

Whois Lookup: Domain Name:DOLEKEMP96.ORG Domain ID: D98201782-LROR Creation Date: 2003-05-27T14:15:22Z Updated Date: 2015-08-11T19:32:00Z Cute.