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As usual with H1B discussions, most of commentators here are full of hidden xenophobia. Almost nobody voices the interest of foreigners who struggle to get bet

As usual with H1B discussions, most of commentators here are full of hidden xenophobia. Almost nobody voices the interest of foreigners who struggle to get better paying jobs in their countries (just keep these foreigners out of here, so we can squeeze an extra dime from our fat employers).

colordrops 11y ago
Are you saying that there should be no restrictions on foreign workers in the US? If you believe in the concept of the state, then by definition you believe that there are insiders and outsiders, and the insiders get more rights and privileges than the outsiders. If not, the state no longer exists. What are you suggesting?
- dragonwriter 11y ago
  > If you believe in the concept of the state, then by definition you believe that there are insiders and outsiders No, that doesn't follow. In many models of "the state", the existence of outsiders is essentially a failure mode; the state seeks to be all-encompassing. Now, if instead of the "the concept of the state", you mean "the concept of the status quo system of multiple coexisting sovereign nation-states", you'd have a point. But I don't think anyone thinks that system is a moral ideal to strive for.
  - colordrops 11y ago
    > But I don't think anyone thinks that system is a moral ideal to strive for. I agree, and despite that most people probably misinterpreted my first comment, I am complete against the existence of any state that separates individuals. But do you really think that _no one_ thinks that multiple coexisting sovereign nation-states is a good idea? Isn't that the idea behind nationalism?
- dennisgorelik 11y ago
  > Are you saying that there should be no restrictions on foreign workers in the US? May be no special restrictions at all (people are supposed to be equal, right?). But we can start with reducing existing restrictions. For example we can keep these restrictions: - Background check (no criminal past) - Revoke Welfare benefits for 5 years. - $1K Green card processing fee. - 1 month Green card processing time. ? Don't you think that these restrictions are significant enough? Do you need more restrictions in order to get ahead of foreign workers?
  - colordrops 11y ago
    I don't think H-1B visa holders require a green card do they? You are actually proposing more restrictions.
    - dennisgorelik 11y ago
      The only reason why H-1B is needed is because Green Card processing is so slow - takes 10 (sic!) years in many cases. If Green Card processing was fast - there would be no need for H-1B.

colordrops 11y ago

Are you saying that there should be no restrictions on foreign workers in the US? If you believe in the concept of the state, then by definition you believe that there are insiders and outsiders, and the insiders get more rights and privileges than the outsiders. If not, the state no longer exists. What are you suggesting?

dragonwriter 11y ago
> If you believe in the concept of the state, then by definition you believe that there are insiders and outsiders No, that doesn't follow. In many models of "the state", the existence of outsiders is essentially a failure mode; the state seeks to be all-encompassing. Now, if instead of the "the concept of the state", you mean "the concept of the status quo system of multiple coexisting sovereign nation-states", you'd have a point. But I don't think anyone thinks that system is a moral ideal to strive for.
- colordrops 11y ago
  > But I don't think anyone thinks that system is a moral ideal to strive for. I agree, and despite that most people probably misinterpreted my first comment, I am complete against the existence of any state that separates individuals. But do you really think that _no one_ thinks that multiple coexisting sovereign nation-states is a good idea? Isn't that the idea behind nationalism?
dennisgorelik 11y ago
> Are you saying that there should be no restrictions on foreign workers in the US? May be no special restrictions at all (people are supposed to be equal, right?). But we can start with reducing existing restrictions. For example we can keep these restrictions: - Background check (no criminal past) - Revoke Welfare benefits for 5 years. - $1K Green card processing fee. - 1 month Green card processing time. ? Don't you think that these restrictions are significant enough? Do you need more restrictions in order to get ahead of foreign workers?
- colordrops 11y ago
  I don't think H-1B visa holders require a green card do they? You are actually proposing more restrictions.
  - dennisgorelik 11y ago
    The only reason why H-1B is needed is because Green Card processing is so slow - takes 10 (sic!) years in many cases. If Green Card processing was fast - there would be no need for H-1B.