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Because the cap is a response to the US desire to not allow in an unlimited number of foreigners.

bduerst 11y ago
An unlimited amount of foreigners can't qualify for the H1B visa. The H1B is specifically for educated & highly skilled immigrants, who has a sponsoring employer and is paid more than the average U.S. citizen for the same job in the same area.
- JPKab 11y ago
  Except that the outsourcing firms game this system so that this isn't at all true. Take a look at the publicly disclosed H1B data. Walmart hired people under a lower paid category with the job title 'Data Scientist' for $70K a year. Let's talk about India, since that's where over half of H1Bs come from: Educated: Yes, if you want to call a degree from an institution that most likely taught rote learning instead of critical thinking, with massive numbers of students cheating because the culture favors cheating if you can get away with it. Highly Skilled: This is where the rote learning comes in. Shops which simply pirate some particular enterprise software product, train people how to use it (SAP anything, Business Objects, Microstrategy, Informatica, you name it) and then profit. You then end up with a resource who comes to America knowing Informatica and/or datastage, but suddenly you find out they don't know SQL. Yes, this happened.
  - bduerst 11y ago
    What are you talking about? The median Wal-Mart data scientist H1B salary in 2015 was $140,000 [1]. There are lot of Indian H1B immigrants who are educated and highly skilled - are you sure you just don't have a passive racial bias? [1] http://h1bdata.info/index.php?em=WAL-MART+ASSOCIATES+INC&job=DATA+SCIENTIST&city=&year=All http://h1bdata.info/index.php?em=WAL-MART+ASSOCIATES+INC&job...
    - JPKab 11y ago
      I looked at the raw H1B data, rather than relying on this aggregator website you are using. Littered throughout the data are jobs which are advertised as "Data Scientist", but the official name for the job is something quite different, like "Programmer Analyst". However, the job description involves building predictive models, working with Apache Spark, Python, and R. The website doesn't even have a working search function, but let me go ahead and provide a link which supports my point: http://h1bdata.info/index.php?em=ORACLE+AMERICA+INC&job=DATA+SCIENTIST&city=&year=ALL http://h1bdata.info/index.php?em=ORACLE+AMERICA+INC&job=DATA... Do you really think that $46,000 is a reasonable salary to pay a DATA SCIENTIST??? Please, by all means, explain this to me. And fuck you for trying to call out a racial bias. My anger at the H1B scammers is strictly based on the fact that I have good friends from India, Malaysia, and Russia who had absolutely bad-ass skills that are incredibly hard to find. They all were turned down for H1B courtesy of the nitwits like Tata bringing in talentless hacks. Talentless hacks are a universal phenomenon in all cultures: they go where the easy, reliable money is. It just so happens that the Indian outsourcing firms have a business model that works very well for talentless hacks. Not unlike the bond trading boom in the US in the 80's.
      - bduerst 11y ago
        The website is built off the publicly available, raw OFLC disclosure data for LCA applications. I'm sure you're just not remembering correctly about WalMart. >Do you really think that $46,000 is a reasonable salary to pay a DATA SCIENTIST??? Please, by all means, explain this to me. Chill dude. For a lower level data scientist in Westminster, CO, that's appropriate. Notice they have a higher level data scientist getting $76k. Not accusing of cherry picking, but really, this is the second time you've done it.
  - JauntTrooper 11y ago
    That is a broad brush you're using to paint a picture of a country with over 1.2 billion people.
    - lifesucks1 11y ago
      Disagree about the broad brush. The quality of H1B workers has gone down so dramatically over years these days anyone qualifies. I have seen people with Phd not get visas because a Java developer fresh of the school who can barely write to code qualifies for the same H1B program. Its one of the most misappropriated use of resources. Much of these admin and coding work can be done by anyone in USA if trained. Thanks to the misuse of H1b visas not one american will be trained by our Fortune 500 companies. At the pace of changes in technology with new acronyms thrown around daily there never will be enough STEM engineers as per this gamed system. But unemployment will always be high and jobs hard to come by. I cannot understand how it is worthwhile to educate your self in this country if you will not find jobs. its shameful that no one cares for the locals in this country.

An unlimited amount of foreigners can't qualify for the H1B visa. The H1B is specifically for educated & highly skilled immigrants, who has a sponsoring employer and is paid more than the average U.S. citizen for the same job in the same area.

JPKab 11y ago
Except that the outsourcing firms game this system so that this isn't at all true. Take a look at the publicly disclosed H1B data. Walmart hired people under a lower paid category with the job title 'Data Scientist' for $70K a year. Let's talk about India, since that's where over half of H1Bs come from: Educated: Yes, if you want to call a degree from an institution that most likely taught rote learning instead of critical thinking, with massive numbers of students cheating because the culture favors cheating if you can get away with it. Highly Skilled: This is where the rote learning comes in. Shops which simply pirate some particular enterprise software product, train people how to use it (SAP anything, Business Objects, Microstrategy, Informatica, you name it) and then profit. You then end up with a resource who comes to America knowing Informatica and/or datastage, but suddenly you find out they don't know SQL. Yes, this happened.
- bduerst 11y ago
  What are you talking about? The median Wal-Mart data scientist H1B salary in 2015 was $140,000 [1]. There are lot of Indian H1B immigrants who are educated and highly skilled - are you sure you just don't have a passive racial bias? [1] http://h1bdata.info/index.php?em=WAL-MART+ASSOCIATES+INC&job=DATA+SCIENTIST&city=&year=All http://h1bdata.info/index.php?em=WAL-MART+ASSOCIATES+INC&job...
  - JPKab 11y ago
    I looked at the raw H1B data, rather than relying on this aggregator website you are using. Littered throughout the data are jobs which are advertised as "Data Scientist", but the official name for the job is something quite different, like "Programmer Analyst". However, the job description involves building predictive models, working with Apache Spark, Python, and R. The website doesn't even have a working search function, but let me go ahead and provide a link which supports my point: http://h1bdata.info/index.php?em=ORACLE+AMERICA+INC&job=DATA+SCIENTIST&city=&year=ALL http://h1bdata.info/index.php?em=ORACLE+AMERICA+INC&job=DATA... Do you really think that $46,000 is a reasonable salary to pay a DATA SCIENTIST??? Please, by all means, explain this to me. And fuck you for trying to call out a racial bias. My anger at the H1B scammers is strictly based on the fact that I have good friends from India, Malaysia, and Russia who had absolutely bad-ass skills that are incredibly hard to find. They all were turned down for H1B courtesy of the nitwits like Tata bringing in talentless hacks. Talentless hacks are a universal phenomenon in all cultures: they go where the easy, reliable money is. It just so happens that the Indian outsourcing firms have a business model that works very well for talentless hacks. Not unlike the bond trading boom in the US in the 80's.
    - bduerst 11y ago
      The website is built off the publicly available, raw OFLC disclosure data for LCA applications. I'm sure you're just not remembering correctly about WalMart. >Do you really think that $46,000 is a reasonable salary to pay a DATA SCIENTIST??? Please, by all means, explain this to me. Chill dude. For a lower level data scientist in Westminster, CO, that's appropriate. Notice they have a higher level data scientist getting $76k. Not accusing of cherry picking, but really, this is the second time you've done it.
- JauntTrooper 11y ago
  That is a broad brush you're using to paint a picture of a country with over 1.2 billion people.
  - lifesucks1 11y ago
    Disagree about the broad brush. The quality of H1B workers has gone down so dramatically over years these days anyone qualifies. I have seen people with Phd not get visas because a Java developer fresh of the school who can barely write to code qualifies for the same H1B program. Its one of the most misappropriated use of resources. Much of these admin and coding work can be done by anyone in USA if trained. Thanks to the misuse of H1b visas not one american will be trained by our Fortune 500 companies. At the pace of changes in technology with new acronyms thrown around daily there never will be enough STEM engineers as per this gamed system. But unemployment will always be high and jobs hard to come by. I cannot understand how it is worthwhile to educate your self in this country if you will not find jobs. its shameful that no one cares for the locals in this country.