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Tons of folks. Here are a couple: Hillary Clinton http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/oct/14/hillary-clinton/clinton-says-nsa-leaker-snowd

by jonknee 11y ago

Tons of folks. Here are a couple: Hillary Clinton http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/oct/14/hillary-clinton/clinton-says-nsa-leaker-snowden-failed-use-whistle/ http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/oct/... > "He broke the laws of the United States," Clinton said. "He could have been a whistleblower. He could have gotten all of the protections of being a whistleblower. He could have raised all the issues that he has raised. And I think there would have been a positive response to that." Bill Nelson http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/man-traitor-article-1.1369682 http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/man-traitor-article-1.136... > "Edward Snowden is not a whistleblower. What Edward Snowden did amounts to an act of treason."

tptacek 11y ago
Grandstanding politicians are not serious critics. I tried to choose the words "serious opponents" to exclude morons.
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  - tptacek 11y ago
    I don't know, but we are now arguing over the semantics of something I wrote earlier, which seems like a pretty boring argument. My point is probably better expressed as "many of Snowden's critics don't dispute that he's a whistleblower, but have a problem with what else he is".
- jonknee 11y ago
  Well who is serious? Everyone in DC grandstands, that's how you get quoted. Here are a couple from non politicians: Jeremy Bash, a former chief counsel to the House Intelligence Committee: http://www.nbcnews.com/id/52158315/t/former-cia-chief-staff-snowden-not-whistleblower/ http://www.nbcnews.com/id/52158315/t/former-cia-chief-staff-... > “The efforts to make him into a hero, I think, are going to fall flat,” said Bash. “He’s not a whistle blower. You don’t break the law, steal documents and then make a run for the border.” Gabriel Schoenfeld, senior fellow at the Hudson Institute: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/snowdens-hypocrisy-on-russia/2014/02/07/23c403c2-8f51-11e3-b227-12a45d109e03_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/snowdens-hypocrisy-o... > "Whatever the answer, Snowden’s silence about the quasi-dictatorship where he has taken sanctuary is telling. It is yet more evidence, if evidence were needed, that he is not a whistleblower at all"
  - tptacek 11y ago
    https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10541203 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10541203 Fine! I concede the point! There are serious Snowden opponents who believe he's a Soviet spy --- really, there are. I'm glad if this court result, long overdue, establishes that he did some good.
- rmxt 11y ago
  Somehow I feel that "grandstanding politicians" have a bit more say in how matters play out for Snowden, than do keyboard warriors on HN. Discounting what politicians believe due to their blow-hardiness is ignoring what the middle of the road American opinion likely is. Who are the serious opponents if they aren't the politicians that stand in the way of his return?

by jonknee 11y ago

tptacek 11y ago

Grandstanding politicians are not serious critics. I tried to choose the words "serious opponents" to exclude morons.

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- tptacek 11y ago
  I don't know, but we are now arguing over the semantics of something I wrote earlier, which seems like a pretty boring argument. My point is probably better expressed as "many of Snowden's critics don't dispute that he's a whistleblower, but have a problem with what else he is".
jonknee 11y ago
Well who is serious? Everyone in DC grandstands, that's how you get quoted. Here are a couple from non politicians: Jeremy Bash, a former chief counsel to the House Intelligence Committee: http://www.nbcnews.com/id/52158315/t/former-cia-chief-staff-snowden-not-whistleblower/ http://www.nbcnews.com/id/52158315/t/former-cia-chief-staff-... > “The efforts to make him into a hero, I think, are going to fall flat,” said Bash. “He’s not a whistle blower. You don’t break the law, steal documents and then make a run for the border.” Gabriel Schoenfeld, senior fellow at the Hudson Institute: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/snowdens-hypocrisy-on-russia/2014/02/07/23c403c2-8f51-11e3-b227-12a45d109e03_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/snowdens-hypocrisy-o... > "Whatever the answer, Snowden’s silence about the quasi-dictatorship where he has taken sanctuary is telling. It is yet more evidence, if evidence were needed, that he is not a whistleblower at all"
- tptacek 11y ago
  https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10541203 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10541203 Fine! I concede the point! There are serious Snowden opponents who believe he's a Soviet spy --- really, there are. I'm glad if this court result, long overdue, establishes that he did some good.
rmxt 11y ago
Somehow I feel that "grandstanding politicians" have a bit more say in how matters play out for Snowden, than do keyboard warriors on HN. Discounting what politicians believe due to their blow-hardiness is ignoring what the middle of the road American opinion likely is. Who are the serious opponents if they aren't the politicians that stand in the way of his return?