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> TTIP should come with visa free movement of people earning more than x. So just to be clear, you're genuinely suggesting a system where you restrict the move

by objclxt 11y ago

> TTIP should come with visa free movement of people earning more than x. So just to be clear, you're genuinely suggesting a system where you restrict the movement of people based on their salary? That seems highly problematic. As an ex-EU citizen you probably know the EU allows any citizen of a member country to travel and work in any other country regardless of income. > Screw H1-B. Can't change jobs, can't buy a house, can't negotiate a raise. You can buy a house on a H1-B, you just need a credit history which you may not have if you have not been living in the US for very long. I know of several people on H1-Bs who have bought property with a mortgage. You can also change jobs. Yes, there is legal paperwork involved. In the tech industry this is not normally a problem due to the demand for talent. The fact you can change jobs also means you can negotiate a raise. Again, I know several people on H1-Bs who negotiated raises (myself included). I am not saying H1-B is a great system - it's not, I should know as I'm on one. But all three of your points are factually incorrect.

chrisper 11y ago
>You can buy a house on a H1-B, you just need a credit history which you may not have if you have not been living in the US for very long. I know of several people on H1-Bs who have bought property with a mortgage. That's quite risky because if you get laid off or fired you have to leave the country immediately. H-1B is modern day slavery.
davidw 11y ago
> So just to be clear, you're genuinely suggesting a system where you restrict the movement of people based on their salary? I think they're suggesting opening things up so that if you make good money, you can move around with less hassle. That's less restrictive than what we have now. > As an ex-EU citizen you probably know the EU allows any citizen of a member country to travel and work in any other country regardless of income Within Europe. TTIP is a 'transatlantic' trade deal, so presumably they're referring to opening things up between the US and Europe, something which I fully support.
- dragonwriter 11y ago
  > I think they're suggesting opening things up so that if you make good money, you can move around with less hassle. That's less restrictive than what we have now. Less restrictive for the well-off. IOW, a great way to increase the gap between the rich and poor in all members of the arrangement, since the already-well-off will be most free to optimize their arrangements, while the less well off will be most inhibited in doing so. Given how successful policy changes of the last couple decades have already been, especially in the US, at assuring that economic growth is not broadly distributed, further reinforcing the advantage of the already well-off through such a policy doesn't seem to make a lot of sense, unless the intent is to promote the crystallization of a permanent elite and permanent underclass.
  - davidw 11y ago
    I'd favor opening things up to anyone who's going to contribute anything at all, but there's also a 'perfect is the enemy of the good' argument as well. Well, there would be if this were a realistic proposal... but sadly, even something like this is probably not feasible.
    - dragonwriter 11y ago
      > there's also a 'perfect is the enemy of the good' argument as well. Making a serious existing problem worse doesn't make this "good"; the bad is the enemy of the good, too.
      - davidw 11y ago
        Letting more people who want to move do so is not making things worse.

by objclxt 11y ago

chrisper 11y ago

>You can buy a house on a H1-B, you just need a credit history which you may not have if you have not been living in the US for very long. I know of several people on H1-Bs who have bought property with a mortgage. That's quite risky because if you get laid off or fired you have to leave the country immediately. H-1B is modern day slavery.

davidw 11y ago

> So just to be clear, you're genuinely suggesting a system where you restrict the movement of people based on their salary? I think they're suggesting opening things up so that if you make good money, you can move around with less hassle. That's less restrictive than what we have now. > As an ex-EU citizen you probably know the EU allows any citizen of a member country to travel and work in any other country regardless of income Within Europe. TTIP is a 'transatlantic' trade deal, so presumably they're referring to opening things up between the US and Europe, something which I fully support.

dragonwriter 11y ago
> I think they're suggesting opening things up so that if you make good money, you can move around with less hassle. That's less restrictive than what we have now. Less restrictive for the well-off. IOW, a great way to increase the gap between the rich and poor in all members of the arrangement, since the already-well-off will be most free to optimize their arrangements, while the less well off will be most inhibited in doing so. Given how successful policy changes of the last couple decades have already been, especially in the US, at assuring that economic growth is not broadly distributed, further reinforcing the advantage of the already well-off through such a policy doesn't seem to make a lot of sense, unless the intent is to promote the crystallization of a permanent elite and permanent underclass.
- davidw 11y ago
  I'd favor opening things up to anyone who's going to contribute anything at all, but there's also a 'perfect is the enemy of the good' argument as well. Well, there would be if this were a realistic proposal... but sadly, even something like this is probably not feasible.
  - dragonwriter 11y ago
    > there's also a 'perfect is the enemy of the good' argument as well. Making a serious existing problem worse doesn't make this "good"; the bad is the enemy of the good, too.
    - davidw 11y ago
      Letting more people who want to move do so is not making things worse.