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The New Intolerance of Student Activism

19 points by trevin 11y ago

peterhadlaw 11y ago
Those students should be embarrassed. Yelling at someone who gives so much of their time to help build up the students. In such an belligerent way at that - either my way or the highway. On to of it all, the have the lack of dignity to suggest that because of an email that hurt their feewwwings they can't live in their luxurious dorms... Give me a break. What's are some of our people turning into?
- norea-armozel 11y ago
  That's not the full story. It seems much of the issue revolves around a series of complaints at least going back to last year where separate incidents of racism (one case where Swastika labels were found in a dorm hallway) that went unanswered. At this point in the story, I'm not buying the theory that one letter is the cause of the mess. Bureaucrats are always lazy and unwilling to address concerns in any situation/setting in my experience. Yale wouldn't be the exception is my bet on this heuristic.
  - peterhadlaw 11y ago
    I'm Polish. Honestly, if I found a Swastika, I'd say a prayer for the sorry sh1t that has such a messed up mind as to even use a Swastika. People are so sensitive and I'm sorry but I think I have a bigger beef with a Swastika than any person of color will ever have.
    - norea-armozel 11y ago
      That doesn't justify such things happening on a campus. I'm sorry, but if I found another student doing that sort of nonsense I would file a complaint with the university to have them ejected just on the matter of defacing property alone (the racism component just is salt in the wound imo). If people can't act with some taste or courtesy then they don't need to be in any university or college, imo. I already had my fill of shrill conservatives at Wichita State to deal with this nonsense.
      - zaccus 11y ago
        If it's for defacing property, sure. That should be punished. But I'm not cool with punishing people for expressing an idea. Lots of people believe things that I strongly disagree with, or even find deplorable/offensive/vile/whatever. I acknowledge my difference of opinion and get on with my life without acting like a crybaby. That's part of being an adult. Free speech is more important than your feelings, or mine. This might not be a popular opinion anymore, but I don't think anybody should be kicked out of school just for drawing a swastika, or saying anti-semitic or racist things.
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  - eimai134 11y ago
    I don't see what that has to do with the Halloween email. Were the swastikas part of costumes?
norea-armozel 11y ago
The conclusion of this article I think is overly simplistic and it's driven by a need to justify various forms of bigotry under the guise of free speech, imo. Certain ideas shouldn't have an airing since their time has come and gone. We no longer need to 'learn' about eugenics since it's been shown to never fit with the scientific evidence. For example, transphobia has been deliberated in the marketplace of ideas and they lost out to the evidence to the contrary on numerous points (ex. claims that transgender individuals commit more suicide post-GRS has been proven false by numerous studies). There's no more room for debate on such issues. If people want to continue to "teach the controversy" or whatever, they can do it on their own time but not that of other's.
- pram 11y ago
  lol at this prole defending orthodoxy in the hallowed halls of Wichita State. umm there is NO room for debate heretics, the matter is canon
  - norea-armozel 11y ago
    Do you care to explain yourself or would you rather heckle and run? It seems people who have a big issue with LGBT issues (especially the T) seem to prefer the latter over the former.
    - pram 11y ago
      explain what, can you not comprehend what i wrote
      - norea-armozel 11y ago
        No, what you wrote is was incomprehensible.
  - zaccus 11y ago
    I think he's criticizing your idea that: >There's no more room for debate on such issues. There is always room for debate on any issue. It might be a one-sided debate, but you're clearly implying that the debate should be suppressed, which is absurd.
mbfg 11y ago
Wow this is disturbing. One wonders whether this is a transitory time for kids that they grow out of, or if the future becomes more dystopian quickly. I also wonder if this is a just a symptom of rich-kid schools. I can only hope your typical state-school student body is more rational.

19 points by trevin 11y ago

Those students should be embarrassed. Yelling at someone who gives so much of their time to help build up the students. In such an belligerent way at that - either my way or the highway. On to of it all, the have the lack of dignity to suggest that because of an email that hurt their feewwwings they can't live in their luxurious dorms... Give me a break. What's are some of our people turning into?

norea-armozel 11y ago
That's not the full story. It seems much of the issue revolves around a series of complaints at least going back to last year where separate incidents of racism (one case where Swastika labels were found in a dorm hallway) that went unanswered. At this point in the story, I'm not buying the theory that one letter is the cause of the mess. Bureaucrats are always lazy and unwilling to address concerns in any situation/setting in my experience. Yale wouldn't be the exception is my bet on this heuristic.
- peterhadlaw 11y ago
  I'm Polish. Honestly, if I found a Swastika, I'd say a prayer for the sorry sh1t that has such a messed up mind as to even use a Swastika. People are so sensitive and I'm sorry but I think I have a bigger beef with a Swastika than any person of color will ever have.
  - norea-armozel 11y ago
    That doesn't justify such things happening on a campus. I'm sorry, but if I found another student doing that sort of nonsense I would file a complaint with the university to have them ejected just on the matter of defacing property alone (the racism component just is salt in the wound imo). If people can't act with some taste or courtesy then they don't need to be in any university or college, imo. I already had my fill of shrill conservatives at Wichita State to deal with this nonsense.
    - zaccus 11y ago
      If it's for defacing property, sure. That should be punished. But I'm not cool with punishing people for expressing an idea. Lots of people believe things that I strongly disagree with, or even find deplorable/offensive/vile/whatever. I acknowledge my difference of opinion and get on with my life without acting like a crybaby. That's part of being an adult. Free speech is more important than your feelings, or mine. This might not be a popular opinion anymore, but I don't think anybody should be kicked out of school just for drawing a swastika, or saying anti-semitic or racist things.
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- eimai134 11y ago
  I don't see what that has to do with the Halloween email. Were the swastikas part of costumes?

norea-armozel 11y ago

The conclusion of this article I think is overly simplistic and it's driven by a need to justify various forms of bigotry under the guise of free speech, imo. Certain ideas shouldn't have an airing since their time has come and gone. We no longer need to 'learn' about eugenics since it's been shown to never fit with the scientific evidence. For example, transphobia has been deliberated in the marketplace of ideas and they lost out to the evidence to the contrary on numerous points (ex. claims that transgender individuals commit more suicide post-GRS has been proven false by numerous studies). There's no more room for debate on such issues. If people want to continue to "teach the controversy" or whatever, they can do it on their own time but not that of other's.

pram 11y ago
lol at this prole defending orthodoxy in the hallowed halls of Wichita State. umm there is NO room for debate heretics, the matter is canon
- norea-armozel 11y ago
  Do you care to explain yourself or would you rather heckle and run? It seems people who have a big issue with LGBT issues (especially the T) seem to prefer the latter over the former.
  - pram 11y ago
    explain what, can you not comprehend what i wrote
    - norea-armozel 11y ago
      No, what you wrote is was incomprehensible.
- zaccus 11y ago
  I think he's criticizing your idea that: >There's no more room for debate on such issues. There is always room for debate on any issue. It might be a one-sided debate, but you're clearly implying that the debate should be suppressed, which is absurd.

mbfg 11y ago

Wow this is disturbing. One wonders whether this is a transitory time for kids that they grow out of, or if the future becomes more dystopian quickly. I also wonder if this is a just a symptom of rich-kid schools. I can only hope your typical state-school student body is more rational.