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These are a thing in Japan. Not sure how common they are. One of my co-workers now in is 40s recently moved into one. They generally advertise you'll have an a

These are a thing in Japan. Not sure how common they are. One of my co-workers now in is 40s recently moved into one. They generally advertise you'll have an active social live in the shared space and they advertise beautiful shared spaces. I've never been so I don't know if the ads live up to reality. A few links http://www.social-apartment.com/ http://www.social-apartment.com/ https://www.hituji.jp/ https://www.hituji.jp/ http://tokyosharehouse.com/jpn/ http://tokyosharehouse.com/jpn/ Note there have been crappy shared living houses for ever, for example an infamous one that targets foreigners is Sakura House The new thing is advertising them as better than living alone and dressing them up, including organizing activities like shared dinners etc..

icanhackit 11y ago
The new thing is advertising them as better than living alone and dressing them up, including organizing activities like shared dinners etc.. "Here are your new cellmates...I mean friends!" Happily introverted people would love this arrangement /s. A better decision might be to rent out a capsule in a kapuseru hoteru and use the money saved to enjoy going out with real friends or sit in a quiet izakaya gulping beer and smoking while reading/surfing/hacking. This contrived social shit reminds me of working in aged care many moons ago. None of the tenants cared deeply for each other and the company running the show was able to fleece them under the guise of a more social, more fun environment. They would have been happier staying in their family home where the spectre of death wasn't standing in every hall.
- BookmarkSaver 11y ago
  I suspect that elderly people don't move to one of these places because they are tricked into thinking that it will be better than living with family. I think your comparison is disingenuous.
  - icanhackit 11y ago
    tricked into thinking that it will be better than living with family I didn't say that. I said to fleece them under the guise of a more social, more fun environment which is exactly what the sales pitch was. To be around people your own age and do things people like you do, IOW. And what was inferred by They would have been happier staying in their family home wasn't to be with family, rather that the home is filled with memories of life and accomplishment whereas a death every-other-week at the "village" was a constant reminder of our approaching end, even for the people who worked there. I think your comparison is disingenuous. I suspect you say this because older people require care which can be hard to provide at home. Fine. But many of the people who resided there were initially healthy and making a lifestyle change rather than seeking care. A side-effect of moving to a retirement village is that your progeny assume everything is dandy - you've got friends and carers, so they visit less often. The effect is devastating.
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- greggman 11y ago
  I'm not quite as cynical. There's nothing wrong with signing up for a social apartment to me. The concept seems sound. In fact in some ways maybe you could argue it's back to our roots as humans before we lived in houses where we all shared the same cave. Sorry, I'm not hippie in any way shape for form. The shared apartments listed above are often themed. I can certainly imagine all kinds of awesome places. An apartment complex for gamers and lan parties. An apartment complex for single parents to co-raise their kids. An apartment complex with a built in makerspace. It seems like a way to actually make real friends rather than "cellmates". Some people happiest times were in dorms. Why should that stop at college? Sheesh.
  - makeset 11y ago
    Friendships are formed through shared experiences. College dorms by definition have college-aged people, at the same early stage of life, enrolled at the same college, living in the same closed-world social environment. A lot of them will take the same classes, go to the same parties, know the same people. Even if you happen to have a dominantly one-dimensional self-identity (like "gamer" or "single parent") in the adult world, it seems nearly impossible to come close that.
    - greggman 11y ago
      Friendships also form through proximity. Meeting people in your neighborhood for example. But many people living in large cities don't know anyone in their neighborhood. In the suburbs people seem to get to know their neighbors but in my experience people living in cities often don't. Living in a share house would be a step to knowing more people living nearby and interacting with them forming friendships.
- cthalupa 11y ago
  > A better decision might be to rent out a capsule in a kapuseru hoteru and use the money saved Have you stayed at a kapuseru hoteru? That shit is just as expensive as a modest hotel. I mean, you won't get put up at the Park Hyatt for the same cost, but you can stay at a normal hotel or airbnb for pretty much the same as a capsule.
sdrothrock 11y ago
As someone who lives in Tokyo and has looked into share houses, there are two things that I found more attractive about Coliving versus share houses here: 1. Personal space: you get your own bathroom and kitchen. The bathroom especially is a dealbreaker for me. 2. Cost: share houses in Tokyo in decent places are often the same price as an apartment of similar size; there's really no financial benefit. The share houses I've seen tend to have really bad tenant:facilities ratios for bathrooms, baths/showers, and washers. At worst, I've seen places with (for example) room for 15 tenants, but only one shower, one washer, and two bathrooms. That's far from an ideal situation, especially when I could get my own apartment for the same price...
ics 11y ago
Been a while since I read anything about it but isn't the main attraction of Sakura House and others that you don't need key money (and all the other pains associated with getting a rental in Japan)?
- jpatokal 11y ago
  Yes. Pretty much the only attraction, in fact.

icanhackit 11y ago

The new thing is advertising them as better than living alone and dressing them up, including organizing activities like shared dinners etc.. "Here are your new cellmates...I mean friends!" Happily introverted people would love this arrangement /s. A better decision might be to rent out a capsule in a kapuseru hoteru and use the money saved to enjoy going out with real friends or sit in a quiet izakaya gulping beer and smoking while reading/surfing/hacking. This contrived social shit reminds me of working in aged care many moons ago. None of the tenants cared deeply for each other and the company running the show was able to fleece them under the guise of a more social, more fun environment. They would have been happier staying in their family home where the spectre of death wasn't standing in every hall.

BookmarkSaver 11y ago
I suspect that elderly people don't move to one of these places because they are tricked into thinking that it will be better than living with family. I think your comparison is disingenuous.
- icanhackit 11y ago
  tricked into thinking that it will be better than living with family I didn't say that. I said to fleece them under the guise of a more social, more fun environment which is exactly what the sales pitch was. To be around people your own age and do things people like you do, IOW. And what was inferred by They would have been happier staying in their family home wasn't to be with family, rather that the home is filled with memories of life and accomplishment whereas a death every-other-week at the "village" was a constant reminder of our approaching end, even for the people who worked there. I think your comparison is disingenuous. I suspect you say this because older people require care which can be hard to provide at home. Fine. But many of the people who resided there were initially healthy and making a lifestyle change rather than seeking care. A side-effect of moving to a retirement village is that your progeny assume everything is dandy - you've got friends and carers, so they visit less often. The effect is devastating.
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greggman 11y ago
I'm not quite as cynical. There's nothing wrong with signing up for a social apartment to me. The concept seems sound. In fact in some ways maybe you could argue it's back to our roots as humans before we lived in houses where we all shared the same cave. Sorry, I'm not hippie in any way shape for form. The shared apartments listed above are often themed. I can certainly imagine all kinds of awesome places. An apartment complex for gamers and lan parties. An apartment complex for single parents to co-raise their kids. An apartment complex with a built in makerspace. It seems like a way to actually make real friends rather than "cellmates". Some people happiest times were in dorms. Why should that stop at college? Sheesh.
- makeset 11y ago
  Friendships are formed through shared experiences. College dorms by definition have college-aged people, at the same early stage of life, enrolled at the same college, living in the same closed-world social environment. A lot of them will take the same classes, go to the same parties, know the same people. Even if you happen to have a dominantly one-dimensional self-identity (like "gamer" or "single parent") in the adult world, it seems nearly impossible to come close that.
  - greggman 11y ago
    Friendships also form through proximity. Meeting people in your neighborhood for example. But many people living in large cities don't know anyone in their neighborhood. In the suburbs people seem to get to know their neighbors but in my experience people living in cities often don't. Living in a share house would be a step to knowing more people living nearby and interacting with them forming friendships.
cthalupa 11y ago
> A better decision might be to rent out a capsule in a kapuseru hoteru and use the money saved Have you stayed at a kapuseru hoteru? That shit is just as expensive as a modest hotel. I mean, you won't get put up at the Park Hyatt for the same cost, but you can stay at a normal hotel or airbnb for pretty much the same as a capsule.

sdrothrock 11y ago

As someone who lives in Tokyo and has looked into share houses, there are two things that I found more attractive about Coliving versus share houses here: 1. Personal space: you get your own bathroom and kitchen. The bathroom especially is a dealbreaker for me. 2. Cost: share houses in Tokyo in decent places are often the same price as an apartment of similar size; there's really no financial benefit. The share houses I've seen tend to have really bad tenant:facilities ratios for bathrooms, baths/showers, and washers. At worst, I've seen places with (for example) room for 15 tenants, but only one shower, one washer, and two bathrooms. That's far from an ideal situation, especially when I could get my own apartment for the same price...

ics 11y ago

Been a while since I read anything about it but isn't the main attraction of Sakura House and others that you don't need key money (and all the other pains associated with getting a rental in Japan)?

jpatokal 11y ago
Yes. Pretty much the only attraction, in fact.