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but in the worst case IE is probably tied with Firefox as the most secure browser. The difference being that Once the malware is downloaded and installed, it

but in the worst case IE is probably tied with Firefox as the most secure browser. The difference being that Once the malware is downloaded and installed, it opens a back door that allows the attacker to perform reconnaissance and gain complete control over the compromised system. is less feasible in Firefox than it is in IE. Firefox forces you to download an executable and then manually run it, so a user would be conscious that he or she is installing a program. It is still possible (last I knew) in IE to install a program practically in the background, or to get broader OS control through a browser vulnerability.

sriramk 17y ago
How is this possible in IE?
- julio_the_squid 17y ago
  What I wonder about IE is how sites or access points set cookie without there even being a browser window open. When I go to certain coffee shops, I'll see the 'this and this site is trying to set a cookie' popup (since I have IE set not to accept cookies) and I don't even have IE open!
bd 17y ago
"Firefox forces you to download an executable and then manually run it, so a user would be conscious that he or she is installing a program." Unfortunately not. I already encountered malware specifically targeted to Firefox that was fully automatic. It used some Mozilla specific JS hooks to launch Acrobat plugin. This in turn loaded tiny infected PDF that exploited some Acrobat security hole which allowed to directly execute code on your machine. It was enough to visit a compromised website, no further user action required. All was happening automatically, practically invisible to the user. I only noticed it because Acrobat plugin is a massive resource hog, so I managed to kill it in time before it could execute a payload.
- ars 17y ago
  What you wrote is not a firefox attack, it's acrobat attack. You don't need Mozilla specific JS hooks to launch an Acrobat plugin - I don't even think there is such a thing. Acrobat plugin opens automatically if you embed a pdf.
  - bd 17y ago
    I don't remember details, it happened already some time ago. It was actually quite sophisticated malware - heavily obfuscated, assembling itself from pieces spread all around the world, jumping through several hoops of compromised servers. When I finally managed to reverse engineer to JS code that carried the infection, it was full of functions I didn't even know existed. Not usual JS, more like API hooks to the underlying platform, with special prefixed names. These names indicated it was about plugins. BTW it was multiplatform, attacking not just Firefox, there was a browser detection and browser specific code paths for several popular browser. I remember there was also something trying to use Silverlight. Oh, and it was multipurpose. Besides trying to infect your PC with a malware, it was also earning money. Some parts of JS were loading ads in invisible frames, presumably to be part of some distributed click farm.
tptacek 17y ago
This comment demonstrates a misunderstanding of the problem. The problem probably isn't that the Chinese can trick people into running programs they download. The problem is that your browser has secret, subtle, horrible security vulnerabilities that allow attackers to embed executable code on web pages that will get run without even creating a new process.

sriramk 17y ago

How is this possible in IE?

julio_the_squid 17y ago
What I wonder about IE is how sites or access points set cookie without there even being a browser window open. When I go to certain coffee shops, I'll see the 'this and this site is trying to set a cookie' popup (since I have IE set not to accept cookies) and I don't even have IE open!

bd 17y ago

"Firefox forces you to download an executable and then manually run it, so a user would be conscious that he or she is installing a program." Unfortunately not. I already encountered malware specifically targeted to Firefox that was fully automatic. It used some Mozilla specific JS hooks to launch Acrobat plugin. This in turn loaded tiny infected PDF that exploited some Acrobat security hole which allowed to directly execute code on your machine. It was enough to visit a compromised website, no further user action required. All was happening automatically, practically invisible to the user. I only noticed it because Acrobat plugin is a massive resource hog, so I managed to kill it in time before it could execute a payload.

ars 17y ago
What you wrote is not a firefox attack, it's acrobat attack. You don't need Mozilla specific JS hooks to launch an Acrobat plugin - I don't even think there is such a thing. Acrobat plugin opens automatically if you embed a pdf.
- bd 17y ago
  I don't remember details, it happened already some time ago. It was actually quite sophisticated malware - heavily obfuscated, assembling itself from pieces spread all around the world, jumping through several hoops of compromised servers. When I finally managed to reverse engineer to JS code that carried the infection, it was full of functions I didn't even know existed. Not usual JS, more like API hooks to the underlying platform, with special prefixed names. These names indicated it was about plugins. BTW it was multiplatform, attacking not just Firefox, there was a browser detection and browser specific code paths for several popular browser. I remember there was also something trying to use Silverlight. Oh, and it was multipurpose. Besides trying to infect your PC with a malware, it was also earning money. Some parts of JS were loading ads in invisible frames, presumably to be part of some distributed click farm.

tptacek 17y ago

This comment demonstrates a misunderstanding of the problem. The problem probably isn't that the Chinese can trick people into running programs they download. The problem is that your browser has secret, subtle, horrible security vulnerabilities that allow attackers to embed executable code on web pages that will get run without even creating a new process.