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James Clapper's congressional perjury will probably make the history books as an example of modern corruption. For a crime committed against the very core of Am

by staunch 11y ago

James Clapper's congressional perjury will probably make the history books as an example of modern corruption. For a crime committed against the very core of American democracy, the press gave him a pass and the president gave him a promotion. Maybe he blackmailed everyone using NSA data... http://www.hasjamesclapperbeenindictedyet.com/ http://www.hasjamesclapperbeenindictedyet.com/

robotkilla 11y ago
Clapper didn't get punished because he did his job. Lying and spying is what he's been paid and ordered to do. If he didn't commit perjury my guess is that he would have been disappeared. I'm not arguing for him or the system but I'm not at all shocked that it was swept under the rug.
- robotkilla 11y ago
  And there are the reddit style down votes as expected... For the record I'm not saying clapper was in the right or that he shouldn't face charges, but in a country where sanctioned torture is the norm why should unpunished perjury by an official from a spy agency be shocking?
tempodox 11y ago
> Maybe he blackmailed everyone using NSA data Even if he didn't, it's only a question of time until the NSA starts blackmailing everyone with NSA data.
- junto 11y ago
  I'm not American, so your politics are largely irrelevant to me, but as an American I would find it probably worth looking at Obama's stance on bulk surveillance over time. Has he flip-flopped? If so, either he was persuaded by evidence of its effectiveness in preventing terrorist attacks on the US, or maybe he was persuaded by evidence of its effectiveness after being shown his last 10 years of internet searches, presented on a CD, lying next to the duplicate sitting in an envelope marked "To the Editor, New York Times".
  - caligastia 11y ago
    If you live on Planet Earth, American politics are relevant to you, as distasteful as that thought might be.
  - staunch 11y ago
    He doesn't want a serious attack to happen on his watch. There's a strong incentive to do "everything possible" to prevent one. Very few people would reward him for reigning in his own power, but nearly everyone will blame if an attack happens.
  - glitchdout 11y ago
    > Has he flip-flopped? Well... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BmdovYztH8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BmdovYztH8

by staunch 11y ago

robotkilla 11y ago

Clapper didn't get punished because he did his job. Lying and spying is what he's been paid and ordered to do. If he didn't commit perjury my guess is that he would have been disappeared. I'm not arguing for him or the system but I'm not at all shocked that it was swept under the rug.

robotkilla 11y ago
And there are the reddit style down votes as expected... For the record I'm not saying clapper was in the right or that he shouldn't face charges, but in a country where sanctioned torture is the norm why should unpunished perjury by an official from a spy agency be shocking?

tempodox 11y ago

> Maybe he blackmailed everyone using NSA data Even if he didn't, it's only a question of time until the NSA starts blackmailing everyone with NSA data.

junto 11y ago
I'm not American, so your politics are largely irrelevant to me, but as an American I would find it probably worth looking at Obama's stance on bulk surveillance over time. Has he flip-flopped? If so, either he was persuaded by evidence of its effectiveness in preventing terrorist attacks on the US, or maybe he was persuaded by evidence of its effectiveness after being shown his last 10 years of internet searches, presented on a CD, lying next to the duplicate sitting in an envelope marked "To the Editor, New York Times".
- caligastia 11y ago
  If you live on Planet Earth, American politics are relevant to you, as distasteful as that thought might be.
- staunch 11y ago
  He doesn't want a serious attack to happen on his watch. There's a strong incentive to do "everything possible" to prevent one. Very few people would reward him for reigning in his own power, but nearly everyone will blame if an attack happens.
- glitchdout 11y ago
  > Has he flip-flopped? Well... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BmdovYztH8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BmdovYztH8