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These are fairly typical anecdotal comments made by people pushing Vitamin C cures / treatment, often in conjunction with mention of 'miracles'. Oblig xkcd: htt

by mb_72 11y ago

These are fairly typical anecdotal comments made by people pushing Vitamin C cures / treatment, often in conjunction with mention of 'miracles'. Oblig xkcd: https://xkcd.com/1217/ https://xkcd.com/1217/

majkinetor 11y ago
What can I say, it works for me and few more people I know. But the argument you are giving is quite pointless - vitamin C has no side effects and it is dead cheap so there is no harm in trying it out for several months and deciding on your own if its good or not for you.
- mb_72 11y ago
  > What can I say, it works for me and few more people I know. You don't know that - it could have been other unknown factors that made the difference. The same claims of 'working' are made for homoeopathy etc. In general 'trying stuff' is a waste of effort, time and money unless there is supporting evidence for efficacy.
  - majkinetor 11y ago
    You really can never know for sure, vitamin C or whatever. Many many drugs are used in mainstream medicine without clear proof or mechanism of action. If you have a real problem to solve effort and money may be irrelevant. It was for me. I had 5 times a year common cold up until i did vit C thing.
- kmicklas 11y ago
  > What can I say, it works for me and few more people I know. Worked in what way? You made no mention of what it actually did, except maybe prevent some viral infections?
  - majkinetor 11y ago
    I didnt want to elaborate here, i did so on several other places. It basically stops common cold and probably other common viral diseases in a day if used right. For instance check my protocol here https://www.paleohacks.com/sick/how-do-you-take-care-of-yourself-when-you-have-the-common-cold-9117 https://www.paleohacks.com/sick/how-do-you-take-care-of-your...
- gabemart 11y ago
  > vitamin C has no side effects I'm not aware of evidence that this is true for megadoses (e.g. 10g per day, as you mentioned). Given that you are making a claim not supported by mainstream medical consensus (that megadoses of vitamin C have positive health effects), you are essentially arguing that megadoses of Vitamin C have a different effect than regular doses. Given that you admit that megadoses have a different effect to regular doses, what is your evidence that megadoses have no side effects?
  - liberale 11y ago
    Toxicity of vit-c is very low. Death by vit-c overdose is un-heard of. Intaking enough vit-c to cause death, could be due to sheer weight of substance intaken rather than bio-chemical function of vit-c. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_C#Overdose https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_C#Overdose Also studies conducted on animals (especially primates) that cannot synthesize vit-c on their own, show that they intake about upto 80x the RDA value of vitamin-c. So, humans intake as low as 1.25% of vit-c levels that monkeys eat. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_C#Daily_requirements https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_C#Daily_requirements Most often than not, RDA values are a joke and should be treated as bare minimum levels to prevent diseases such as scurvy and not as the optimum level. Sub-clinical deficiency in essential vitamins and minerals always happen.
    - majkinetor 11y ago
      Correcrt. Primates take vit. C in grams naturally for example.
      - liberale 11y ago
        Do you have any comprehensive resource on timing Vit-C supplements? Also what form of supplement & which brand did you intake? Liposomal vit-c? Do you also have any comprehensive resources that explains if vit-c supplements can affect recovery from lifting weights or general exercise?
        11y ago
- scott_s 11y ago
  You have not established causation. That is, you and others you know do it; you have a health outcome you are comfortable with; yet you have not established causation between the two.

by mb_72 11y ago

majkinetor 11y ago

What can I say, it works for me and few more people I know. But the argument you are giving is quite pointless - vitamin C has no side effects and it is dead cheap so there is no harm in trying it out for several months and deciding on your own if its good or not for you.

mb_72 11y ago
> What can I say, it works for me and few more people I know. You don't know that - it could have been other unknown factors that made the difference. The same claims of 'working' are made for homoeopathy etc. In general 'trying stuff' is a waste of effort, time and money unless there is supporting evidence for efficacy.
- majkinetor 11y ago
  You really can never know for sure, vitamin C or whatever. Many many drugs are used in mainstream medicine without clear proof or mechanism of action. If you have a real problem to solve effort and money may be irrelevant. It was for me. I had 5 times a year common cold up until i did vit C thing.
kmicklas 11y ago
> What can I say, it works for me and few more people I know. Worked in what way? You made no mention of what it actually did, except maybe prevent some viral infections?
- majkinetor 11y ago
  I didnt want to elaborate here, i did so on several other places. It basically stops common cold and probably other common viral diseases in a day if used right. For instance check my protocol here https://www.paleohacks.com/sick/how-do-you-take-care-of-yourself-when-you-have-the-common-cold-9117 https://www.paleohacks.com/sick/how-do-you-take-care-of-your...
gabemart 11y ago
> vitamin C has no side effects I'm not aware of evidence that this is true for megadoses (e.g. 10g per day, as you mentioned). Given that you are making a claim not supported by mainstream medical consensus (that megadoses of vitamin C have positive health effects), you are essentially arguing that megadoses of Vitamin C have a different effect than regular doses. Given that you admit that megadoses have a different effect to regular doses, what is your evidence that megadoses have no side effects?
- liberale 11y ago
  Toxicity of vit-c is very low. Death by vit-c overdose is un-heard of. Intaking enough vit-c to cause death, could be due to sheer weight of substance intaken rather than bio-chemical function of vit-c. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_C#Overdose https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_C#Overdose Also studies conducted on animals (especially primates) that cannot synthesize vit-c on their own, show that they intake about upto 80x the RDA value of vitamin-c. So, humans intake as low as 1.25% of vit-c levels that monkeys eat. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_C#Daily_requirements https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_C#Daily_requirements Most often than not, RDA values are a joke and should be treated as bare minimum levels to prevent diseases such as scurvy and not as the optimum level. Sub-clinical deficiency in essential vitamins and minerals always happen.
  - majkinetor 11y ago
    Correcrt. Primates take vit. C in grams naturally for example.
    - liberale 11y ago
      Do you have any comprehensive resource on timing Vit-C supplements? Also what form of supplement & which brand did you intake? Liposomal vit-c? Do you also have any comprehensive resources that explains if vit-c supplements can affect recovery from lifting weights or general exercise?
      - 11y ago
scott_s 11y ago
You have not established causation. That is, you and others you know do it; you have a health outcome you are comfortable with; yet you have not established causation between the two.