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Nope, the death penalty is definitely on the table based on the charges we've heard bandied about. And the issue isn't that some evidence is classified, but th

by fineman 11y ago

Nope, the death penalty is definitely on the table based on the charges we've heard bandied about. And the issue isn't that some evidence is classified, but that all evidence Snowden would want to present is classified. Even his motivation is based on works that are claimed to be classified.

caskance 11y ago
I didn't say capital punishment was or wasn't on the table. I said it wasn't a military trial. Those are two completely orthogonal issues. If Snowden can't present a single piece of evidence in his defense that isn't classified, I don't think he's got much of a case. Last I checked, the constitution isn't classified.
- Alupis 11y ago
  Come off it. You can't have a fair trial where 99% of the evidence is not allowed to be submitted. The US has Whistle-Blower laws for a reason, yet the US Government is not allowing them to cover his case. Until a guarantee of a free trial, he has stated he'll remain where he's at. And that's entirely reasonable.
  - caskance 11y ago
    Regardless of what Snowden thinks, evidence submitted doesn't have to be made public. Due to his contractor status, it's unclear which whistleblower protections would cover him, but that's something that can be established during trial. It's clear that Snowden and his supporters believe that a "fair" trial means one where he's exonerated. That's unreasonable.
    - Alupis 11y ago
      You clearly have not been following the entire story. Selective facts don't tell the entire narrative.
      - caskance 11y ago
        I'm pretty sure I know more than you do here, but I'll humor you. What facts do you think I'm missing?
        fineman 11y ago
        Then you'd know it's not that the evidence presented at trial would remain sealed but that he wouldn't even be able to present it.
        caskance 11y ago
        That's within the context of it being a trial open to the public.
        Alupis 11y ago
        > That's within the context of it being a trial open to the public. Which the US Government is not allowing. We've looped back to the beginning here... and you still don't understand, don't accept, or don't know the entire narrative.
        fineman 11y ago
        No, he won't be able to present evidence at any trial. It's much more than keeping some testimony sealed.

by fineman 11y ago

caskance 11y ago

I didn't say capital punishment was or wasn't on the table. I said it wasn't a military trial. Those are two completely orthogonal issues. If Snowden can't present a single piece of evidence in his defense that isn't classified, I don't think he's got much of a case. Last I checked, the constitution isn't classified.

Alupis 11y ago
Come off it. You can't have a fair trial where 99% of the evidence is not allowed to be submitted. The US has Whistle-Blower laws for a reason, yet the US Government is not allowing them to cover his case. Until a guarantee of a free trial, he has stated he'll remain where he's at. And that's entirely reasonable.
- caskance 11y ago
  Regardless of what Snowden thinks, evidence submitted doesn't have to be made public. Due to his contractor status, it's unclear which whistleblower protections would cover him, but that's something that can be established during trial. It's clear that Snowden and his supporters believe that a "fair" trial means one where he's exonerated. That's unreasonable.
  - Alupis 11y ago
    You clearly have not been following the entire story. Selective facts don't tell the entire narrative.
    - caskance 11y ago
      I'm pretty sure I know more than you do here, but I'll humor you. What facts do you think I'm missing?
      - fineman 11y ago
        Then you'd know it's not that the evidence presented at trial would remain sealed but that he wouldn't even be able to present it.
        caskance 11y ago
        That's within the context of it being a trial open to the public.
        Alupis 11y ago
        > That's within the context of it being a trial open to the public. Which the US Government is not allowing. We've looped back to the beginning here... and you still don't understand, don't accept, or don't know the entire narrative.
        fineman 11y ago
        No, he won't be able to present evidence at any trial. It's much more than keeping some testimony sealed.