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> Are “no negotiation” offers hurting candidates? No, strong candidates ALWAYS know their relative worth in the marketplace. They naturally gravitate to the m

> Are “no negotiation” offers hurting candidates? No, strong candidates ALWAYS know their relative worth in the marketplace. They naturally gravitate to the most competitive offers. But some employers still take a backward view of talent as a 'resource', rather than intellectual capital. These guys put-out unsophisticated, low-ball offers to marginal, even desperate job-seekers just fill seats. Relative to the company's "no negotiation" stance, there are almost always exceptions. On this subject, Stuart Diamond is masterful > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOZo6Lx70ok https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOZo6Lx70ok

seattle_spring 11y ago
I would normally agree with you, but I've seen first hand this not being the case. People get starry eyed over "neat" products or cultures, or they might be burnt out from toxic cultures from previous employers, enough to ignore being taken serious advantage of.
- trcollinson 11y ago
  I wouldn't down play the "neat" product or culture, or the burn out from past experience. Money isn't everything. Personally, if I was given a low ball offer and was told I wasn't allowed to negotiate, I would negotiate anyway. That might include negotiating with my feet: "Sorry I can't accept that offer, if you aren't willing to come up to $X then I will have to look elsewhere." Of course, they might say "We can't negotiate" and I will have to look elsewhere. On the other hand, there are times when making less money but enjoying what I do is very much worth it. These jobs aren't forever, we don't get into jobs in this industry and stay there until we retire very often. Maybe it wouldn't be so bad making half as much but really enjoying getting up every morning and having the opportunity to go into work because the product challenges are exciting or because the culture makes me feel good about myself. Obviously, if it causes deep financial stresses than that's not a good trade off. But if you can swing it personally, it might be a great experience. I wouldn't call this "being taken serious advantage of". This could be just the benefit some engineers are looking for in their career.

seattle_spring 11y ago

I would normally agree with you, but I've seen first hand this not being the case. People get starry eyed over "neat" products or cultures, or they might be burnt out from toxic cultures from previous employers, enough to ignore being taken serious advantage of.

trcollinson 11y ago
I wouldn't down play the "neat" product or culture, or the burn out from past experience. Money isn't everything. Personally, if I was given a low ball offer and was told I wasn't allowed to negotiate, I would negotiate anyway. That might include negotiating with my feet: "Sorry I can't accept that offer, if you aren't willing to come up to $X then I will have to look elsewhere." Of course, they might say "We can't negotiate" and I will have to look elsewhere. On the other hand, there are times when making less money but enjoying what I do is very much worth it. These jobs aren't forever, we don't get into jobs in this industry and stay there until we retire very often. Maybe it wouldn't be so bad making half as much but really enjoying getting up every morning and having the opportunity to go into work because the product challenges are exciting or because the culture makes me feel good about myself. Obviously, if it causes deep financial stresses than that's not a good trade off. But if you can swing it personally, it might be a great experience. I wouldn't call this "being taken serious advantage of". This could be just the benefit some engineers are looking for in their career.