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>> What you may consider trolling, may be the other idiot's actual views. It seems to me this statement is quite unfair. Does it mean that if I think you're tr
by talmand 11y ago
>> What you may consider trolling, may be the other idiot's actual views.
It seems to me this statement is quite unfair. Does it mean that if I think you're trolling it also means I can label you as an idiot? It's not just that you disagree with them, you get to label them with whatever derogatory term you want as well?
>> such trolls (and people who actually believe what they say) are really really threatening to the internet
No, they don't. What's threatening the internet as a bastion of free speech are people who don't understand the consequences of free speech and believe everything that they see on the internet. Then they feel the need to tell other people what they may or may not say based on their misguided notions of what free speech is.
>> suggesting that any removal of extremely offensive content is tantamount to utter censorship
It is censorship. It's almost literally the definition of censorship. I'm not saying censorship doesn't have it's place, but you are being misleading by suggesting that removing a person's comment is not censorship.
As for coordinated trolls attempting to remove a site from discussion; you are absolutely correct. It is a problem. But I don't understand how the solution to that problem is to discuss removing people's rights of free expression. If a site wants to remove people's comments, so be it, but your type of rhetoric eventually leads to people demanding laws. Those laws almost always turn out bad for everyone, people are just too short-sighted to see it.
Also, who are you to define the "least correct response" to anything when hardly anyone knows the other people here? I disagree with that statement, but I don't feel I have the right to tell them they can't make it.
- icebraining 11y agoDoes it mean that if I think you're trolling it also means I can label you as an idiot? I think what was meant is that people saying idiotic things are not always trolls (who are just trying to stir up an argument), they may actually be idiots. And yes, of course one may label others as idiots; it might be uncouth when said or written publicly, but that's each person's call.
- talmand 11y agoOh, don't get me wrong, I agree that one can label another as an idiot. It's just that I require a greater deal of proof than "that person disagrees with me" to believe someone's label of another person they don't know.
- tremon 11y ago>> What you may consider trolling, may be the other idiot's actual views. >It seems to me this statement is quite unfair. Does it mean that if I think you're trolling it also means I can label you as an idiot? That's not how I read it. I read it as "the /other/ idiot", i.e. emphasis on other. As in, he was referring to all online commenters as idiots. I thought it was a quite clever way to capture that we all are quick to judge in a faceless discussion. Then again, I may have judged him too astute :)