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> contains “troubling” rules on intellectual property that threaten to make Canada a “permanent underclass” in the economy of selling ideas Why? > He fears it

> contains “troubling” rules on intellectual property that threaten to make Canada a “permanent underclass” in the economy of selling ideas Why? > He fears it would give American firms an edge and cost Canadian companies more money because they would have to pay for someone else’s ideas instead their own. What? > On top of that, Balsillie believes the structure could prevent Canadian firms from growing as it would also limit how much money they can make from their own products and services. Again why? I don't think this article ever specifically explains why TPP is bad for Canada.

kelvin0 11y ago
Here is a documentary which could shed more light on the issues Non-US countries face with TPP: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0LOwmwgkdA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0LOwmwgkdA I researched some of the issues they mention, and so far the film makes some excellent points.
- suvelx 11y ago
  The article is about TPP, and this video is about TTIP. Slightly different, as one covers the Pacific, the other the Atlantic.
  - PythonicAlpha 11y ago
    Geographically it sounds a correct statement. But those agreements all have a common agenda -- don't think about geography, but about the common agenda behind it. We are living in the era of globalization and one of the reasons for such treaties is, that the geographical differences should vanish. Of course it is not about the same agreement -- but this video sheds a light about all those agreements.
    - BookmarkSaver 11y ago
      Ok, lets just never have another trade agreement in the history of the world. That should do it. Clearly all of them are bad. We can prove it because some of them are bad.
      - PythonicAlpha 11y ago
        There is enough prove around, that these treaties with the US all contain the same bullshit again and again.
- neoeldex 11y ago
  Shit, that video is not available in my country (Netherlands) While a dutch publicly funded broadcasting agency created it. There are other means of viewing this documentary, but why bar the international version for dutch viewers :S
  - mattvot 11y ago
    Generally speaking they do this so you have to watch the video through the publishers own video streaming service in your own country.
  - thijsw 11y ago
    It is probably the translated version of the Dutch original, which, of course, is available in the Netherlands: http://tegenlicht.vpro.nl/afleveringen/2015-2016/ttip.html http://tegenlicht.vpro.nl/afleveringen/2015-2016/ttip.html
- icebraining 11y ago
  I'm just starting to watch it and it's already trying to manipulate me by talking about child labour and slavery, and giving an example of the terrible things enabled by NAFTA: a lawsuit that it's not even been decided on yet. It's not even good propaganda, let alone an informative case against trade agreements.
  - kelvin0 11y ago
    It did raise some issues I was not aware of, for example Canada is one of the most sued countries. Also, some pending cases and the arbitration involved is quite appalling. I don't think it is unbiased, but it certainly does shed some light on important issues (to Canadians anyway).
izend 11y ago
He might be referring to the current differences in patent laws between the US and Canada. Specifically the famous Harvard Mouse case https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harvard_College_v_Canada_(Commissioner_of_Patents) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harvard_College_v_Canada_(Co...
- drpgq 11y ago
  Hmmm, I wonder if under TPP this Supreme Court ruling would be overruled?
  - fweespeech 11y ago
    I doubt this specific ruling would be overruled but it'd probably no longer be the precedent for future rulings.
drzaiusapelord 11y ago
>I don't think this article ever specifically explains why TPP is bad for Canada. Does any TPP article do more than fearmongering? Its clear there are people who are against low barriers to trade by principle. They believe in strict isolationist protectionism as being economically superior. Historically they've been wrong, but they have an activist voice on the web. Stuff like this should give people pause on how things get popular on the web and who is selling you what message. From a larger perspective, I feel that TV and print media had guys like Neil Postman and Marshall McLuhan, but the web doesn't really have anyone giving a critical message about how untrustworthy and unreliable communication like this is.
- Yikes111 11y ago
  Are you for real? You imagine there's something good in any of the TP* treaties? It's not fearmongering when it's real hahaha. "Historically they've been wrong" REALLY? your claim for that is what? The only reason we have income taxes, is because of the first world war. It was sold to people as a temporary measure to pay for the war. Before that, government was paid for with import duties. You think people are better off giving up half their income and in some places, more than that? That's just income tax. Add all the other taxes up and it's getting to be a 100%. Those taxes will be going up further as a result of this 'free' trade. The lost duties have to be made up somehow and it's not like anyone is straining to balance a budget. "but they have an activist voice on the web." Accusing someone of doing what you've done, is one of the oldest tricks there is. You see shithead politicians do that everyday. YOU, what you preeching is the commie I'm sorry, 'activist' nonsense. YOU WANT to be impoverished. Because that's what it's the globalization of, poverty. With the collapse in commodities, Canada is considered a third world economy by most investment banks now. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-11-02/money-flooding-out-of-canada-at-fastest-pace-in-developed-world http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-11-02/money-floo...
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jonathannorris 11y ago
Yea that's the most confusing thing about the article is that he seems very upset about the implications of the TTP, but doesn't explain why...

kelvin0 11y ago

Here is a documentary which could shed more light on the issues Non-US countries face with TPP: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0LOwmwgkdA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0LOwmwgkdA I researched some of the issues they mention, and so far the film makes some excellent points.

suvelx 11y ago
The article is about TPP, and this video is about TTIP. Slightly different, as one covers the Pacific, the other the Atlantic.
- PythonicAlpha 11y ago
  Geographically it sounds a correct statement. But those agreements all have a common agenda -- don't think about geography, but about the common agenda behind it. We are living in the era of globalization and one of the reasons for such treaties is, that the geographical differences should vanish. Of course it is not about the same agreement -- but this video sheds a light about all those agreements.
  - BookmarkSaver 11y ago
    Ok, lets just never have another trade agreement in the history of the world. That should do it. Clearly all of them are bad. We can prove it because some of them are bad.
    - PythonicAlpha 11y ago
      There is enough prove around, that these treaties with the US all contain the same bullshit again and again.
neoeldex 11y ago
Shit, that video is not available in my country (Netherlands) While a dutch publicly funded broadcasting agency created it. There are other means of viewing this documentary, but why bar the international version for dutch viewers :S
- mattvot 11y ago
  Generally speaking they do this so you have to watch the video through the publishers own video streaming service in your own country.
- thijsw 11y ago
  It is probably the translated version of the Dutch original, which, of course, is available in the Netherlands: http://tegenlicht.vpro.nl/afleveringen/2015-2016/ttip.html http://tegenlicht.vpro.nl/afleveringen/2015-2016/ttip.html
icebraining 11y ago
I'm just starting to watch it and it's already trying to manipulate me by talking about child labour and slavery, and giving an example of the terrible things enabled by NAFTA: a lawsuit that it's not even been decided on yet. It's not even good propaganda, let alone an informative case against trade agreements.
- kelvin0 11y ago
  It did raise some issues I was not aware of, for example Canada is one of the most sued countries. Also, some pending cases and the arbitration involved is quite appalling. I don't think it is unbiased, but it certainly does shed some light on important issues (to Canadians anyway).

izend 11y ago

He might be referring to the current differences in patent laws between the US and Canada. Specifically the famous Harvard Mouse case https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harvard_College_v_Canada_(Commissioner_of_Patents) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harvard_College_v_Canada_(Co...

drpgq 11y ago
Hmmm, I wonder if under TPP this Supreme Court ruling would be overruled?
- fweespeech 11y ago
  I doubt this specific ruling would be overruled but it'd probably no longer be the precedent for future rulings.

drzaiusapelord 11y ago

>I don't think this article ever specifically explains why TPP is bad for Canada. Does any TPP article do more than fearmongering? Its clear there are people who are against low barriers to trade by principle. They believe in strict isolationist protectionism as being economically superior. Historically they've been wrong, but they have an activist voice on the web. Stuff like this should give people pause on how things get popular on the web and who is selling you what message. From a larger perspective, I feel that TV and print media had guys like Neil Postman and Marshall McLuhan, but the web doesn't really have anyone giving a critical message about how untrustworthy and unreliable communication like this is.

Yikes111 11y ago
Are you for real? You imagine there's something good in any of the TP* treaties? It's not fearmongering when it's real hahaha. "Historically they've been wrong" REALLY? your claim for that is what? The only reason we have income taxes, is because of the first world war. It was sold to people as a temporary measure to pay for the war. Before that, government was paid for with import duties. You think people are better off giving up half their income and in some places, more than that? That's just income tax. Add all the other taxes up and it's getting to be a 100%. Those taxes will be going up further as a result of this 'free' trade. The lost duties have to be made up somehow and it's not like anyone is straining to balance a budget. "but they have an activist voice on the web." Accusing someone of doing what you've done, is one of the oldest tricks there is. You see shithead politicians do that everyday. YOU, what you preeching is the commie I'm sorry, 'activist' nonsense. YOU WANT to be impoverished. Because that's what it's the globalization of, poverty. With the collapse in commodities, Canada is considered a third world economy by most investment banks now. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-11-02/money-flooding-out-of-canada-at-fastest-pace-in-developed-world http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-11-02/money-floo...
- dang 11y ago
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jonathannorris 11y ago

Yea that's the most confusing thing about the article is that he seems very upset about the implications of the TTP, but doesn't explain why...