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On the one hand I can kinda feel the pain of the homeowners. When my neighbor recently had a yard sale, I basically had to sit in my driveway telling people to

On the one hand I can kinda feel the pain of the homeowners. When my neighbor recently had a yard sale, I basically had to sit in my driveway telling people to not block it in case I had to get out. Some would actually try and argue with me. So, I know how selfish and stupid people can be sometimes. But, selfish and stupid works both ways. The homeowners near there can't deny people right of way on public streets. They can't put up fake signs/paint. This isn't right either. The best you can do is just try and keep the idiots off your own property.

donatj 11y ago
You couldn't just ask them to move if/when you did actually have to get out? People don't spend usually more than a few minutes at yard sales and it sounds to me like you were just being unreasonable. If you were so worried you might need to leave at an absolute moments notice (doctor on call or something?) why not just park in the street yourself?
- JustSomeNobody 11y ago
  Seriously? Look, it is plain rude to park directly in front of someone's drive. There's no two ways about that. I should not have to be go and park my car somewhere else because people can't be bothered to not be rude. I have plenty of property in front of my house that they could have parked (it's 25 extra feet they would have had to walk). That's what plenty of other people were doing. There's plenty of open space on the other side of the street as well.
  - donatj 11y ago
    Rude? Yes. An actual inconvenience to you? Unlikely.
    - Retra 11y ago
      Rudeness is an inconvenience.
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  - anon4 11y ago
    Isn't it outright illegal? Can't you get them towed?
    - donatj 11y ago
      Yes, but no one stays at a yard sale for more than 2 or 3 minutes. By the time the tow truck would arrive they would be long gone. This is at its heart the reason why this is an overzealous non-problem.
      - spdustin 11y ago
        There are a lot of other crimes that can be committed before law enforcement would arrive. Would you suggest those are non-issues as well? It's hard for me to believe that you're not being a troll on purpose, and that you honestly are the sort of selfish person that you would deny someone access to or from their own home. Oh, wait, I think I get it. You don't own a house? That must be it. You're not a selfish jerk, you're simply ignorant of the challenges of protecting your right of way in case you need to rush your kid to the doctor's office, or have an appointment you're running late to. Oh hold on... You're a homeowner with no kids and no appointments because you're never late and have immaculate foresight into the wandering a of strangers? Surely you're just ignorant of the law th...Hang on, you acknowledged the illegality of blocking the driveway, and told the homeowner to suck it up. So you are either a troll or a selfish person with no respect for property or the law. Stay off my driveway. And my lawn.
        donatj 11y ago
        I actually rent a house with intent to buy soon. If someone did block my driveway, and I needed to get somewhere I would politely ask them to move because that's how human interaction should work. I'm not trolling, I'm making a general plea for more cool headed reasonable human interaction. If there were an emergency and my driveway was blocked I would probably drive through the grass as it is just grass and I have my priorities straight. Having your driveway blocked for a couple minutes isn't the end of the world. If you don't have a couple minutes to spare in your day for something that may go wrong you're headed for trouble. Things go wrong constantly, that's life. You can either laugh or get worked up into a froth. You'll live longer doing the prior. As for crimes, I would say victimless ones such as this should go unpunished. Costing someone hundreds of dollars to get their car back because they mildly inconvenienced you? You're doing far more harm to them than they did to you. That kind of enforcement just makes the world a much more unfriendly place, and does not serve the common good.
  - gburt 11y ago
    You are being unreasonable. The grandparent is correct. Any parker would've left in less than 5 minutes. You would not have even known they were there. If they did not leave and you needed out, you could have simply asked them to leave. Property rights in this strange absolutist never-to-be-violated interpretation would make a hell of a world. Dropped your wallet? WELL, I CAN'T PICK IT UP FOR YOU BECAUSE THAT'S THEFT OF YOUR PROPERTY.
    - klibertp 11y ago
      > Property rights in this strange absolutist never-to-be-violated interpretation I'm glad I'm not the only one to notice that. It may be a cultural thing, I don't see such strong opinions in my country very often.
    - JustSomeNobody 11y ago
      Actually, not picking up the wallet would be considered rude. This isn't about property. It's about manners. I'm sorry the sequence of events that has led up to your life at this moment prevent you from differentiating.
  - ianstallings 11y ago
    So you sit there waiting for someone to be rude so you can pounce on them? I'm sorry but that's petty. Don't you have anything better to do? And that's not going to make for good neighbors. Now they know you're that guy that acts like a unreasonable person.
- sliverstorm 11y ago
  Entitlement, on display.
- mikestew 11y ago
  So you're willing to put the onus on the blockee instead of, I dunno, not blocking their driveway and walking an extra 30 meters? There are words for that, none of them nice.
kuschku 11y ago
There is a far better solution: Instead of saying "no, you can’t", say "go there instead". Provide an alternative. In this case, an alternative would be creating a parking space and the start of the trail.
hahamrfunnyguy 11y ago
A better solution would have been to just block your own driveway.

donatj 11y ago

You couldn't just ask them to move if/when you did actually have to get out? People don't spend usually more than a few minutes at yard sales and it sounds to me like you were just being unreasonable. If you were so worried you might need to leave at an absolute moments notice (doctor on call or something?) why not just park in the street yourself?

JustSomeNobody 11y ago
Seriously? Look, it is plain rude to park directly in front of someone's drive. There's no two ways about that. I should not have to be go and park my car somewhere else because people can't be bothered to not be rude. I have plenty of property in front of my house that they could have parked (it's 25 extra feet they would have had to walk). That's what plenty of other people were doing. There's plenty of open space on the other side of the street as well.
- donatj 11y ago
  Rude? Yes. An actual inconvenience to you? Unlikely.
  - Retra 11y ago
    Rudeness is an inconvenience.
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- anon4 11y ago
  Isn't it outright illegal? Can't you get them towed?
  - donatj 11y ago
    Yes, but no one stays at a yard sale for more than 2 or 3 minutes. By the time the tow truck would arrive they would be long gone. This is at its heart the reason why this is an overzealous non-problem.
    - spdustin 11y ago
      There are a lot of other crimes that can be committed before law enforcement would arrive. Would you suggest those are non-issues as well? It's hard for me to believe that you're not being a troll on purpose, and that you honestly are the sort of selfish person that you would deny someone access to or from their own home. Oh, wait, I think I get it. You don't own a house? That must be it. You're not a selfish jerk, you're simply ignorant of the challenges of protecting your right of way in case you need to rush your kid to the doctor's office, or have an appointment you're running late to. Oh hold on... You're a homeowner with no kids and no appointments because you're never late and have immaculate foresight into the wandering a of strangers? Surely you're just ignorant of the law th...Hang on, you acknowledged the illegality of blocking the driveway, and told the homeowner to suck it up. So you are either a troll or a selfish person with no respect for property or the law. Stay off my driveway. And my lawn.
      - donatj 11y ago
        I actually rent a house with intent to buy soon. If someone did block my driveway, and I needed to get somewhere I would politely ask them to move because that's how human interaction should work. I'm not trolling, I'm making a general plea for more cool headed reasonable human interaction. If there were an emergency and my driveway was blocked I would probably drive through the grass as it is just grass and I have my priorities straight. Having your driveway blocked for a couple minutes isn't the end of the world. If you don't have a couple minutes to spare in your day for something that may go wrong you're headed for trouble. Things go wrong constantly, that's life. You can either laugh or get worked up into a froth. You'll live longer doing the prior. As for crimes, I would say victimless ones such as this should go unpunished. Costing someone hundreds of dollars to get their car back because they mildly inconvenienced you? You're doing far more harm to them than they did to you. That kind of enforcement just makes the world a much more unfriendly place, and does not serve the common good.
- gburt 11y ago
  You are being unreasonable. The grandparent is correct. Any parker would've left in less than 5 minutes. You would not have even known they were there. If they did not leave and you needed out, you could have simply asked them to leave. Property rights in this strange absolutist never-to-be-violated interpretation would make a hell of a world. Dropped your wallet? WELL, I CAN'T PICK IT UP FOR YOU BECAUSE THAT'S THEFT OF YOUR PROPERTY.
  - klibertp 11y ago
    > Property rights in this strange absolutist never-to-be-violated interpretation I'm glad I'm not the only one to notice that. It may be a cultural thing, I don't see such strong opinions in my country very often.
  - JustSomeNobody 11y ago
    Actually, not picking up the wallet would be considered rude. This isn't about property. It's about manners. I'm sorry the sequence of events that has led up to your life at this moment prevent you from differentiating.
- ianstallings 11y ago
  So you sit there waiting for someone to be rude so you can pounce on them? I'm sorry but that's petty. Don't you have anything better to do? And that's not going to make for good neighbors. Now they know you're that guy that acts like a unreasonable person.
sliverstorm 11y ago
Entitlement, on display.
mikestew 11y ago
So you're willing to put the onus on the blockee instead of, I dunno, not blocking their driveway and walking an extra 30 meters? There are words for that, none of them nice.

kuschku 11y ago

There is a far better solution: Instead of saying "no, you can’t", say "go there instead". Provide an alternative. In this case, an alternative would be creating a parking space and the start of the trail.

hahamrfunnyguy 11y ago

A better solution would have been to just block your own driveway.