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Nothing stopping you but some NIMBYs who don't want the wind farms from spoiling your views.

what_ever 11y ago
Ehh, you don't need to put wind farms in the cities/suburbs where NIMBYs are located. There is Central CA with abundance of flat lands as well as mountains
- URSpider94 11y ago
  You clearly don't have experience with California environmental politics. There's not a single spot of land (or water) in the state where SOMEONE won't complain about a wind farm installation.
- technofiend 11y ago
  Perhaps, but then you're wasting energy pumping water inland.
voltagex_ 11y ago
And also NIMBYs who believe turbines are making them ill.
- msandford 11y ago
  Actually infrasound is pretty bad for you. At the right frequency around 18-19Hz you start seeing ghosts. Substantially lower can really do a number on you too. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infrasound https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infrasound
  - voltagex_ 11y ago
    Pollution from coal-fired power plants is pretty bad for you, too.
  - arjie 11y ago
    Source only states effects on people working on the turbine, and, in general, people exposed to infrasound at volumes higher than those you get from having a wind turbine nearby. You practically have to be on the device. No danger from this.
- TeMPOraL 11y ago
  I sometimes wonder how and if various groups of NIMBYs - i.e. anti-wind-farm, anti-nuclear, etc. overlap with each other. Sometimes I just wish I could point a finger and accuse someone of attempting to kill people and/or destroy civilization.
  - voltagex_ 11y ago
    >Sometimes I just wish I could point a finger and accuse someone of attempting to kill people and/or destroy civilization. Funny, that's what anti-wind/solar/nuclear people say! I think it comes down to a lack of science education and a fear of the unknown.
    - TeMPOraL 11y ago
      > Funny, that's what anti-wind/solar/nuclear people say! Yes, I know :). That's (among others) a reason I don't go and point my finger too much :). > I think it comes down to a lack of science education and a fear of the unknown. I'd add a collapse of trust in authority as an underlying cause for this and movements like anti-vaccination. I talk to people holding such beliefs quite a bit, and I've noticed they're perfectly willing to (selectively) trust science; they can even have an above-average understanding of it. It's often that they don't trust the intentions of governments and corporations (the "Big Pharma", evil Monsanto, etc.). So I think painting them as anti-science idiots, as it is often done on-line, is counterproductive. Not just because it's always counterproductive to paint the other side as idiots, but also because it's missing the point.

Ehh, you don't need to put wind farms in the cities/suburbs where NIMBYs are located. There is Central CA with abundance of flat lands as well as mountains

URSpider94 11y ago
You clearly don't have experience with California environmental politics. There's not a single spot of land (or water) in the state where SOMEONE won't complain about a wind farm installation.
technofiend 11y ago
Perhaps, but then you're wasting energy pumping water inland.

voltagex_ 11y ago

And also NIMBYs who believe turbines are making them ill.

msandford 11y ago
Actually infrasound is pretty bad for you. At the right frequency around 18-19Hz you start seeing ghosts. Substantially lower can really do a number on you too. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infrasound https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infrasound
- voltagex_ 11y ago
  Pollution from coal-fired power plants is pretty bad for you, too.
- arjie 11y ago
  Source only states effects on people working on the turbine, and, in general, people exposed to infrasound at volumes higher than those you get from having a wind turbine nearby. You practically have to be on the device. No danger from this.
TeMPOraL 11y ago
I sometimes wonder how and if various groups of NIMBYs - i.e. anti-wind-farm, anti-nuclear, etc. overlap with each other. Sometimes I just wish I could point a finger and accuse someone of attempting to kill people and/or destroy civilization.
- voltagex_ 11y ago
  >Sometimes I just wish I could point a finger and accuse someone of attempting to kill people and/or destroy civilization. Funny, that's what anti-wind/solar/nuclear people say! I think it comes down to a lack of science education and a fear of the unknown.
  - TeMPOraL 11y ago
    > Funny, that's what anti-wind/solar/nuclear people say! Yes, I know :). That's (among others) a reason I don't go and point my finger too much :). > I think it comes down to a lack of science education and a fear of the unknown. I'd add a collapse of trust in authority as an underlying cause for this and movements like anti-vaccination. I talk to people holding such beliefs quite a bit, and I've noticed they're perfectly willing to (selectively) trust science; they can even have an above-average understanding of it. It's often that they don't trust the intentions of governments and corporations (the "Big Pharma", evil Monsanto, etc.). So I think painting them as anti-science idiots, as it is often done on-line, is counterproductive. Not just because it's always counterproductive to paint the other side as idiots, but also because it's missing the point.