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All things being equal, lisp was in use much more back in the 70s and 80s than it was in the 90s or 00s. It makes sense for the majority of people who would thi

by anonjon 17y ago

All things being equal, lisp was in use much more back in the 70s and 80s than it was in the 90s or 00s. It makes sense for the majority of people who would think to use lisp to be a bit grayer.

lispm 17y ago
Fortunately, since 2000, a new generation of young hackers has shown increased passion for Lisp.
- sfk 17y ago
  Enthusiasm, yes, but where is the output? Usually, when I read about a Lisp success story, there's a paragraph: ... and we could not have done this without A, B, C ... by Edi Weitz. Lisp needs more people like him who actually release software instead of blogging about its virtues.
  - lispm 17y ago
    But you have seen the article that we are talking about? It is just such an output where the software is written in Lisp and the result is sold commercially. People have asked Jack to explain why he used Lisp for an embedded application. You can read the result in the linked article. The guy who has posted the story also has written a bunch of Lisp based internet applications. If you look among the hardcore Common Lisp users, quite a lot are writing software. The once that are blogging superficial stuff not so much. Read the stuff on planet.lisp.org - that's usually quite useful.
  - anonjon 17y ago
    Why do you assume people don't release software in Common Lisp? When you buy a piece of no one writes on the packaging "we did this in C++!" or "We did this in Java!" Why would you expect a big "Common Lisp!" sticker on the packaging? The deliverable is machine code, not source code. The customer doesn't care what the source is written in.
    - gaius 17y ago
      Because people don't write C++ or Java or Python "success stories". When someone ships an app in Lisp, they blog about it and it gets posted here. If Lisp were widely used, it would not be newsworthy.
      - lispm 17y ago
        I don't think you hear much about the 'real' Lisp apps. I have for example never seen anything about Amazon's use of Lisp. But they use it. Did you ever read something about the applications that schedule airport operations? Or did you ever hear about SISCOG's software ( http://www.siscog.com/ http://www.siscog.com/ ) who develop most of their software in Lisp? Their products are used to schedule the crews of public transport systems (trains) in major cities and states. Ever read blog posts about those?

by anonjon 17y ago

All things being equal, lisp was in use much more back in the 70s and 80s than it was in the 90s or 00s. It makes sense for the majority of people who would think to use lisp to be a bit grayer.

lispm 17y ago

Fortunately, since 2000, a new generation of young hackers has shown increased passion for Lisp.

sfk 17y ago
Enthusiasm, yes, but where is the output? Usually, when I read about a Lisp success story, there's a paragraph: ... and we could not have done this without A, B, C ... by Edi Weitz. Lisp needs more people like him who actually release software instead of blogging about its virtues.
- lispm 17y ago
  But you have seen the article that we are talking about? It is just such an output where the software is written in Lisp and the result is sold commercially. People have asked Jack to explain why he used Lisp for an embedded application. You can read the result in the linked article. The guy who has posted the story also has written a bunch of Lisp based internet applications. If you look among the hardcore Common Lisp users, quite a lot are writing software. The once that are blogging superficial stuff not so much. Read the stuff on planet.lisp.org - that's usually quite useful.
- anonjon 17y ago
  Why do you assume people don't release software in Common Lisp? When you buy a piece of no one writes on the packaging "we did this in C++!" or "We did this in Java!" Why would you expect a big "Common Lisp!" sticker on the packaging? The deliverable is machine code, not source code. The customer doesn't care what the source is written in.
  - gaius 17y ago
    Because people don't write C++ or Java or Python "success stories". When someone ships an app in Lisp, they blog about it and it gets posted here. If Lisp were widely used, it would not be newsworthy.
    - lispm 17y ago
      I don't think you hear much about the 'real' Lisp apps. I have for example never seen anything about Amazon's use of Lisp. But they use it. Did you ever read something about the applications that schedule airport operations? Or did you ever hear about SISCOG's software ( http://www.siscog.com/ http://www.siscog.com/ ) who develop most of their software in Lisp? Their products are used to schedule the crews of public transport systems (trains) in major cities and states. Ever read blog posts about those?