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True. But how do you determine how much anyone deserves? That's one critical problem we have to solve. Because it's fine to say that society should redistribute

by x5n1 11y ago

True. But how do you determine how much anyone deserves? That's one critical problem we have to solve. Because it's fine to say that society should redistribute resources, we already do that so we can do more of that. But how do you determine who gets what and how much of it? What about children, if I were being selfish under such conditions I might want to produce 10-20 children all from different women. How do we stop anti-social behavior if people are not bound to work? Also people are weird and often act irrationally. What forces them to act rationally is work. It's regimented and structured. Without that regiment and structure to keep people's mind and energy occupied, how do you control people? Without social control, society is not possible.

everyone 11y ago
Those are very interesting points. I certainly dont have the answers, and answering these sort of questions correctly is the challenge we are facing. The values we are discussing do necessarily arise along with civilisation and specialisation. Perhaps for inspiration we should look at uncivilised societies, hunter gatherers who certainly must toil for food (hunt and gather) but not actually work per se. I will have a stab at answering your questions with my own answers however.. Q:But how do you determine who gets what and how much of it? A: Everyone gets enough for shelter, food, electricity, education, healthcare, other things which are considered basic necessities. Essentially just give people the basics rather than force them through pointless and wasteful hoops. Q: I might want to produce 10-20 children all from different women. A: I dont really see any problem here, people can choose to have children or not. Unless there is a problem with overpopulation but that is another issue. Generally the trend with more affluence is less children. Q: how do you control people? A: Laws would still exist, and there would need to be police and a judiciary system to enforce them. Obviously there is some work that will always be necessary (farming, military, police, decision-making) Once all of that can be fully automated then humans would be obsolete anyway. ps. This is a very interesting debate that may be relevant at some stage in the future but I'm betting that global industrial society will undergo a significant collapse in the next 50 - 100 years rendering all this moot.

by x5n1 11y ago

everyone 11y ago

Those are very interesting points. I certainly dont have the answers, and answering these sort of questions correctly is the challenge we are facing. The values we are discussing do necessarily arise along with civilisation and specialisation. Perhaps for inspiration we should look at uncivilised societies, hunter gatherers who certainly must toil for food (hunt and gather) but not actually work per se. I will have a stab at answering your questions with my own answers however.. Q:But how do you determine who gets what and how much of it? A: Everyone gets enough for shelter, food, electricity, education, healthcare, other things which are considered basic necessities. Essentially just give people the basics rather than force them through pointless and wasteful hoops. Q: I might want to produce 10-20 children all from different women. A: I dont really see any problem here, people can choose to have children or not. Unless there is a problem with overpopulation but that is another issue. Generally the trend with more affluence is less children. Q: how do you control people? A: Laws would still exist, and there would need to be police and a judiciary system to enforce them. Obviously there is some work that will always be necessary (farming, military, police, decision-making) Once all of that can be fully automated then humans would be obsolete anyway. ps. This is a very interesting debate that may be relevant at some stage in the future but I'm betting that global industrial society will undergo a significant collapse in the next 50 - 100 years rendering all this moot.