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peak load pricing? in an age where physics and manufacturing processes have given us native 100GE signals at shockingly low cost per bit? it used to be backhau

by pyvpx 11y ago

peak load pricing? in an age where physics and manufacturing processes have given us native 100GE signals at shockingly low cost per bit? it used to be backhauling access traffic was expensive (think T1s to cell phone towers). well, those days are long behind us. a little less profit taking and a little more infrastructure investment would solve bandwidth problems in duopolist markets.

rhino369 11y ago
It's not the backhaul that is the chokepoint. It's local nodes near your house. The one you share with 50-100 homes or more.
- bbayles 11y ago
  Quite so. Usually the same in mobile networks, but sometimes backhaul is a limitation there still.
- AnthonyMouse 11y ago
  A Netflix "ultra HD" stream requires 25Mbps. Even if all 100 homes are simultaneously streaming ultra HD, that's 2.5Gbps in total. Coax can handle that easily with modern equipment. Obviously they could be using very old equipment that can't, but whose fault is that?
  - rhino369 11y ago
    Cable companies can't replace network hardware every three years. It's just not profitable. Cable systems were upgraded to broadband 2000-2005. 10-15 year replacement is short in the telecom industry. It's not surprising that new entrants into the market can give much higher speed. If you demand upgrades every 5 years that is going to increase costs considerably. Also a large amount of coax spectrum is for video tv service. The real curiousity is why Verizon fios can't deliver near 1gbps. It's already has a fiberoptic network. I'm guessing it's the hardware at the nodes.
revelation 11y ago
It's getting a bit ridiculous. ISPs have pocketed multiple rounds of order of magnitude jumps in network technology while customer speeds have stalled and "usage caps" are on and off. And that's just the "assume they are not acting in bad faith" stance; we know they are willingly not upgrading the interconnects to (eventually) Netflix and others, who their customers are requesting more and more data from.

by pyvpx 11y ago

rhino369 11y ago

It's not the backhaul that is the chokepoint. It's local nodes near your house. The one you share with 50-100 homes or more.

bbayles 11y ago
Quite so. Usually the same in mobile networks, but sometimes backhaul is a limitation there still.
AnthonyMouse 11y ago
A Netflix "ultra HD" stream requires 25Mbps. Even if all 100 homes are simultaneously streaming ultra HD, that's 2.5Gbps in total. Coax can handle that easily with modern equipment. Obviously they could be using very old equipment that can't, but whose fault is that?
- rhino369 11y ago
  Cable companies can't replace network hardware every three years. It's just not profitable. Cable systems were upgraded to broadband 2000-2005. 10-15 year replacement is short in the telecom industry. It's not surprising that new entrants into the market can give much higher speed. If you demand upgrades every 5 years that is going to increase costs considerably. Also a large amount of coax spectrum is for video tv service. The real curiousity is why Verizon fios can't deliver near 1gbps. It's already has a fiberoptic network. I'm guessing it's the hardware at the nodes.

revelation 11y ago

It's getting a bit ridiculous. ISPs have pocketed multiple rounds of order of magnitude jumps in network technology while customer speeds have stalled and "usage caps" are on and off. And that's just the "assume they are not acting in bad faith" stance; we know they are willingly not upgrading the interconnects to (eventually) Netflix and others, who their customers are requesting more and more data from.