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>"The UBI is not only a subsidy to employers; it is a union-buster." (???) This is true. This is also the main reason why I support UBI in Finland. Here union
by vlehto 11y ago
>"The UBI is not only a subsidy to employers; it is a union-buster." (???)
This is true. This is also the main reason why I support UBI in Finland.
Here unions are based on negotiating minimum wages for different jobs and paying unemployment money to laid of workers. (something like 9 months after lay off, then it's government responsibility.) The membership payments are tax exempt. Both of these things would be unnecessary with UBI.
Why I don't like the unions? Because cleaning lady at paper factory gets 1,6 times the wage of cleaning lady at a hospital. They are practically fueling outsourcing more than anything else, because they penalize success.
Also because whatever I vote in the general election, is not going to affect the job market in any way. Unions hold the power. They have cartel on labor and it's not illegal like other cartels.
They have that cartel because they lobby shit more than anything else. It makes economic sense to belong to union. Your payments cost you nothing because government is basically paying them through tax exemption. If you have slightest possibility to be ever laid off, unions guarantee relatively high standard of living for that "in between jobs".
Finnish social democrats are most against UBI in Finland. They have been accused of being the political wing of Unions.
- dllthomas 11y agoYou've established that you (and perhaps some others) believe that UBI hurts unions (and that you think that's desirable), but you've not really explained the mechanism by which they would be hurt.
- vlehto 11y agoSimply not needed as much anymore. Minimum wage loses it's ethical argument with UBI. Job security is lot less needed because your safety net actually works. Unions would surely still exist. But they should not be able to hold as much power as currently. Which is exactly what I want. I'm not against unions, I'm against unions having a choke hold of my country.