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Having a good web browser or partially obscure language does not make Microsoft a web company in a sense that Google or Facebook are. That would be a dishonest

• BinaryIdiot 11y ago
  You seem to have your own narrative for how Microsoft is and you don't really seem to care much about the reality of the day. I implore you to drop former prejudices when it comes to technology because this changes fast and what you're talking about (much like the parent) is very much in the past. > Having a good web browser or partially obscure language does not make Microsoft a web company in a sense that Google or Facebook are. That would be a dishonest comparison. Us devs will never forget about IE, though Edge is a good start in repairing a very frayed relationship. No one said Microsoft was a web company. But yes you devs (including me) will forget about the IE of old because that is no longer the reality. Holding superficial grudges over software that becomes less relevant everyday is pety and counter productive. Besides, since IE8 Microsoft has ackowledged its issues, has been far more open and more like a partner with the other companies involved in the W3C specifications and they've made fantastic strides (IE 11 is awesome as well; IE 10 isn't that far off). > Regarding social web it is also highly dishonest to compare Xbox Live with Facebook or Twitter, which are deeply ingrained cultural phenomena. If you re-read what I wrote I simply said if you counted XBox Live as social then sure they have some social presence but that's it. I never compared it to Facebook or Twitter. So zero dishonesty there. > His points are valid, much more than ticking off positives of Microsoft's efforts. You haven't refuted my responses to his points and yet you are saying parent's are valid. I'm not sure if you're simply trying to troll or what but if you feel his points are valid and all of my points, which mostly just corrected incorrect statements from the parent, are not then please present your evidence instead of trying to dismiss. > There's a reason MS isn't as confident as it was. Redmond is constantly haunted by 2006(AWS), 2007(iPhone), 2008(Chrome) and 2009(Facebook's rise). They seem to be the last to the party... Azure is second to AWS; I'm sure Google is kicking itself because of that and it's a pretty awesome business. Why would they be haunted by that? For iPhone yeah Microsoft missed the boat but so did countless others. Microsoft has a new tactic with making all of their software available on all platforms and you know what? It's higher rated than some of the contenders in the same space (for instance Word is higher rated than Pages). They're doing fine with mobile except for their own OS. I doubt they are "haunted" by Chrome. If anything Mozilla would be considering they were making ground on IE and then Chrome came right in and grabbed many of their users. Microsoft still has plenty of users here and they probably don't care nearly as much as you want to think they do. Everyone was caught off guard with Facebook. If you'll notice Microsoft hasn't even tried to over take them, unlike Google who tried 3 times in different ways.